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Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by dang on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @12:35AM (#40437372)
If you read about the history of childhood I think it's clear that children were immeasurably more traumatized in the past. The concept of child abuse barely existed, and the relational needs of children weren't recognized at all.

That raises the question of why contemporary attention to trauma is so elevated, if the problem is actually smaller now than it used to be. There's an easy answer though: this is first moment in (recent) history where we finally have a chance to begin dealing with it.

Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by tuatoru on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @02:32AM (#40437939)
Children were definitely abused more in the past, but were they traumatised more?

In the past much more than today, kids had defined roles and work to do in families. The stronger sense of identity may have lessened the trauma. As may the knowledge that their peers in neighboring familes were going through the exact same things.

Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by tsegratis on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @05:19AM (#40439002)
Divorce is a massive cause of trauma and increasing in the west

I organized a large group of trauma experts last week (church pastors), and although they were amazing and had clearly overcome trauma; residual selfishness and power grabbing meant a child got ignored

The same last night: a bible study with the homeless. A happy and peaceful place, though one member was throwing trauma bombs

There's not a simple switch, though having lived in war zones and done churches of, for instance Syrian refugees, unconditional love of God, and letting trauma be presented in the middle of that is deeply powerful

Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @03:29PM (#40445228)
> Divorce is a massive cause of trauma and increasing in the west

Not true that it's increasing. It peaked in the 70s and has decreased since.

[1] https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/lo...

Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by tsegratis on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @04:44PM (#40446283)
"Since 1972, marriage rates in the US have fallen by almost 50%, and are currently at the lowest point in recorded history"

"The share of children born outside of marriage has increased substantially in almost all OECD countries"

https://ourworldindata.org/marriages-and-divorces

But you are right divorce rates vary, for instance decreasing post covid. I was thinking on the century scale. But also percentage of people entering stable commitment, and so even the possibility of divorce is much lower

Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @05:07PM (#40446567)
> "The share of children born outside of marriage has increased substantially in almost all OECD countries"

This seems like it's unrelated to divorce.

I don't think it's fair to look at divorces on a century basis given that no fault divorce only became possible in the United States in 1969 - before that you needed to prove there was some sort of abuse or infidelity involved.

It certainly becomes more complicated to try and draw trends, and impossible to assume it was stronger family value that held them together before that point - in fact, the peak in the early 70s indicates that once it became possible it was used with gusto.

Re:The Effects of Early Relational Trauma (2001) [pdf] by tsegratis on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @07:49PM (#40448411)
Umm, my dear. My issue was childhood trauma due to family breakdown

I already noted you corrected me on divorce varying. Thankyou. You cleared that up, so let me be clearer:

In this thread someone stated abuse was easily less damaging to them than separation from their parents

That reflects my experience of seeing children get through war better than family breakdown

My central point is that family breakdown causes trauma

Correlating that with stats becomes interesting, and your point on divorce is interesting, but marriage being at the lowest levels in recorded history and i would assume single parent families being at the highest levels is indicative of increased family breakdown

That is my point

Given that marriage has decreased so much, you might assume commitment has decreased. Presumably only the committed to it are taking the plunge. Hence less divorce. Hence more trauma