It's actually the most rational thing I've heard quoted from him. You have to be willing to open the box to see what's inside to know if you can do it better/cheaper/faster/smaller. There's ways of doing that without breaking laws, or doing something unethical with the what you learn. There's also ways of doing it without destroying something or violating anyone/anything. It also allows you to hear their response to see if where person is in that rationale. Do they toe the lines, do they run right across it, do they bend but not break, do they scorched earth everything they touch?

Makes me glad there aren't people betting on how far I'm willing to go to bend the law. When you lay it all out like that you make PG sound like a cockfighter paying to get his champion bloodied.

Those are the same people who break the laws and exploit people if they know they can't fight back.

Usually those people are considered sociopaths.

Maybe it's time to ask the employees of OpenAI who fought to get Altman back, How this behavior is compatible with their moral standards or whether money is the most important thing.

Is that something that needs to be asked? I thought it was pretty evident when the coup was happening.

You are on "Hacker News", surely it's not that much of a surprise?

It’s a different type of hacking. This was about hacking a system for one’s advantage, not the computer type of hacking.

I always interpreted the hacker in HN as a spirit, irrespective of vocation.

What is endearing and admirable as the underdog very easily becomes contemptible abuse in the biggest dog of the pack. It's not a contradiction - the hacking spirit is a trait that causes more damage the more power you have.

The persistent belief in the tech industry as some kind of underdog I think explains much of the recent deplorable behavior by some of the richest people on the planet. A bunch of unbelievably wealthy nerds are mentally trapped in the past and too out of touch to realize they have become the bullies.

personally I think it completely sums up silicon valley perfectly

I think governance is overly restrictive and stifles innovation. For example I love that Uber and Airbnb exist even though they both sort of skirt or acceptably break rules in place that a complete rule follower wouldn’t have violated.

Taking taxis 15 years ago was an absolute scammy shitty experience and it’s only marginally better now thanks to an actual competitive marketplace