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Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by JumpCrisscross on Monday May 20, 2024 @05:01PM (#40420337)
> don't see how there is a meaningful difference "administers large chunks of territory undemocratically" and "is not a democracy" in practice

The Federalist Papers are the deep dive. The Wikipedia article is a good start [1].

If you’re excluding classic members of a set with your measure, your measure is inconsistent with the classic set. You may argue Athens wasn’t a true democracy, but that obviously puts your definition of a true democracy in a special bucket.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

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Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by umanwizard on Monday May 20, 2024 @05:07PM (#40420421)
If we're quoting Wikipedia:

> South Africa has been a democracy since the end of apartheid in 1994.

People in the present day use the word "democracy" in a way that would exclude either ancient Athens or the Jim Crow-era US. You are the one who's insisting on an unusual definition from thousands of years ago; my definition is the mainstream one. Furthermore, your "classical" definition is irrelevant, since we're talking about Israel the modern state in 2024 which should be judged by present-day standards.

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