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Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by JumpCrisscross on Monday May 20, 2024 @04:53PM (#40420249)
> would be completely reasonable to say that the US (or at least the southern states) was not a democracy in the modern sense of the word until that happened

That’s redefining democracy to the extent it excludes Athens. The term you may be looking for is a liberal democracy, or more precisely universal suffrage.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by umanwizard on Monday May 20, 2024 @04:56PM (#40420277)
If a country were run like ancient Athens today, nobody would consider it a democracy. We are talking about "democracy" in its modern meaning, not the regimes that used that term in a completely different way thousands of years ago.
Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by JumpCrisscross on Monday May 20, 2024 @05:06PM (#40420399)
> We are talking about "democracy" in its modern meaning

You are. That’s a redefinition. It neuters the term of its millennia-old moral weight.

Sure, I’ll agree Israel isn’t a democracy per whatever definition you’re using. It isn’t a “real”country per others’. At that point, however, you’re just expressing a personal dislike. Nothing foundational.

Re:ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu fo... by umanwizard on Monday May 20, 2024 @05:10PM (#40420453)
It's obvious that we are talking about the modern meaning of democracy because the entire thread is about current events.

> I’ll agree Israel isn’t a democracy per whatever definition you’re using.

Okay then, do you have an actual point, other than quibbling about what words mean?