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Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by mike_hearn on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:30AM (#40405580)
> UK politicians also mislead the public about that.

It's worth noting that they didn't just do that in 2016. They were doing it for the entire history of Britain's membership of the EU. During the referendum campaign I talked to quite a few older people (my mother included) who remembered the original Brexit referendum in the 1970s, one that most people outside the UK aren't aware ever existed. It happened just a couple of years after entering the EU, which was done unilaterally by the Labour government of the time and never subjected to a referendum. Many people of that generation say they voted Remain the first time because they were explicitly promised that the EU (or EEC as it was then known) was merely a free trade zone with no ambitions to be more. In that era, without the internet, it was much harder to fact check these sorts of claims and although there were campaigners telling the truth, the public mostly believed the government.

Later it turned out that not only was it untrue but it had never been true, that Labour knew it wasn't true and that the plan right from day one had always been to abolish European governments by merging them together into one superstate. This is often claimed to be a federalist project, but there is no specific philosophy in the EU project as to what rights should remain delegated to the individual states like in the USA. In fact the opening of the EU "constitution" equivalent says that the goal is ever closer union - without limits.

This feeling of betrayal and deception was a big driver of why the older generation went so conclusively for Leave. Most common feedback I got on talking to these people: I haven't changed my opinion from the 70s, but now I know the truth.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by lispm on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:49AM (#40405673)
"abolish European governments by merging them together into one superstate"

That wasn't the goal of the EU. Even now it isn't the goal. Nations and governments still exist.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by dariosalvi78 on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:41AM (#40405638)
Sovereignty was part of it, another, pretty big, part was "to get rid of the bloody immigrants"
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by munksbeer on Tuesday May 21, 2024 @06:22AM (#40426484)
> Many people of that generation say they voted Remain the first time because they were explicitly promised that the EU (or EEC as it was then known) was merely a free trade zone with no ambitions to be more.

This is absolutely not true! I can't believe how many people repeat this. The people who tell you this are either misremembering, or they've fooled themselves into believing it, or they're lying to you.

The entire argument against joining the EEC at the time was based on the threat to UK democracy because it was well known the project was a political one, not merely a common market.

The leaflet the government sent out to every household in the UK stated this explicitly but chose to reason about why this wasn't a bad thing.

Here: https://civitas.org.uk/content/files/1975ReferendumGov.pdf

And there is a lot more material out there with various viewpoints on both sides expressed, almost all of them talking about the political side of the EEC.

It's just a nonsense that this wasn't known about.