Nothing prevents you from working with liked minded individuals to create your own "infra". The phrase "we the people" sounds cool but in reality what you mean is "your money, my idea".

Roads is a very common argument, but none of the roads are build by "we the people". Government takes your money by force irrespective of how you think it should be spent and then a completely unaccountable red tapy system that employs otherwise unemployable people decides how to spend it. After a massive waste you have some roads which are poorly built even worse maintained.

There is no need for roads to be public infrastructure. It can be fully privatized and people be asked to pay for its use. (While entire compontent of taxes that go towards road building be returned back to the people.)

We will have better roads, less traffic and more money in pocket with that model.

> Government takes your money by force

Oh good grief.

> We will have better roads, less traffic and more money in pocket with that model.

I call bullshit.

> There is no need for roads to be public infrastructure. It can be fully privatized and people be asked to pay for its use. (While entire compontent of taxes that go towards road building be returned back to the people.) We will have better roads, less traffic and more money in pocket with that model.

As evidenced by the many successful and popular real-world cases where it's played out exactly this way. For example, um, uh...

>a completely unaccountable red tapy system that employs otherwise unemployable people decides how to spend it.

The "accountability" is people voting in/out politicians. I agree they need more accounability, but in this case the folly falls on the ignorant for not properly researching who will lead and manage their towns.

>There is no need for roads to be public infrastructure. It can be fully privatized and people be asked to pay for its use.

Sounds like an awful idea. Land isn't infinite, so it falls into the same problem we have with housing. Lots of inefficiently crafted roads and a nightmare of tolls to manage based on the route you take. Which finals down to a few big boys either battling for the best roads, or worse, colluding with each other to keep tolls high. Navigation now has to incorporate not only for physical distance, but approximate cost as well.

I fail to see an upside here unless your underlying narrative is to force people onto public transportation. Even then that doesn't mean public transportation imroves for those with bad access (also managed by "unaccountable red tapy system")/

This is the biggest solution to the problem that many people seem to ignore. If you want your communities to prosper, then the public needs to own the infrastructure that companies provide services for. Full stop.

Anything less is giving companies control over something they should not have control over.

I think there's an argument to be had on 'owned by the public, but operated by private industry.'

Another on 'built by private industry, but owned by the public.'

Government ownership isn't a panacea and has historically faultered when faced with innovative and expert requirements.

But I do think anything that trends towards monopoly makes sense as 'let the public own the simplest level, exposed via standards, and innovation happen above and/or below that.'

That's a terrible idea. If the government owned wireless infrastructure then we'd still be stuck with 1G analog service. Competition between private cellular carriers is the primary factor driving innovation.

> We the People should own infrastructure

Going 4 to 3 sucked, let’s go all the way to a state monopoly!

Right, because we only have one single shipping company using all the roads...

It didn't suck for the shareholders of the remaining 3. With a state monopoly, we'd all be shareholders. Win!

There is no "We the People". There is a government, or really layers of government, composed largely of politicians and bureaucrats. Whether those people running the cellular network is good or not ought to be assessed on what actually exists or is reasonably possible, not appeals to vague abstractions.

And yet even with all that infrastructure, the market has coalesced around 3-5 shipping companies for vast majority of consumer shipments.