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Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by CooCooCaCha on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:56AM (#40367006)
“Its biggest issue is in the productization.”

That’s not true at all. The biggest issue is that it doesn’t work. You can’t actually trust ai systems and that’s not a product issue.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tivert on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:30PM (#40369095)
> That’s not true at all. The biggest issue is that it doesn’t work. You can’t actually trust ai systems and that’s not a product issue.

I don't know about that, it seems to work just fine at creating spam and clone websites.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tbrownaw on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:40PM (#40369235)
It works fine for some things. You just need a clearly defined task where LLM + human reviewer is on average faster (ie cheaper) than a human doing the same task themselves without that assistance.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by still_grokking on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:25AM (#40376258)
Given the fact that you need to review, research, and usually correct every detail of AI output, how can that be faster than just doing it right yourself in the first place? Do you have some examples of such tasks?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tbrownaw on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:15PM (#40381463)
Yes. There's the one that $employer built a POC app for and found did in fact save time. There's also github copilot which apparently a large chunk of people find saves time for them (and which $employer is reviewing to figure out if they can identify which people / job functions benefit precisely enough to pay for group licensing).
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by startupsfail on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @10:12AM (#40367212)
Ilya is one of the Founders of the original nonprofit. This is also an issue. It does look like he was not the Founder or in any control of the for profit venture.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by senseiV on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @11:32AM (#40368287)
if the ai is the product, and the product isnt trustable, isnt that a product issue??
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by shwaj on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:30PM (#40369093)
It’s a core technology issue.

The AI isn’t the product, e.g. the ChatGPT interface is the main product that is layered above the core AI tech.

The issue is trustworthiness isn’t solvable by applying standard product management techniques on a predictable schedule. It requires scientific research.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by anonymousab on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:43PM (#40370759)
> You can’t actually trust ai systems

For a lot of (very profitable) use cases, hallucinations and 80/20 are actually more than good enough. Especially when they are replacing solutions that are even worse.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by player1234 on Thursday May 16, 2024 @03:19AM (#40375970)
What use cases? This kind of thing is stated all the time, never any examples.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by roguas on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:58AM (#40378559)
All the usecases we see. Take a look at perplexity optimising short internet research. If I get this mostly right its fine enough, saved my 30 minutes of mindless clicking and reading - even if some errors are there.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by CooCooCaCha on Thursday May 16, 2024 @10:28AM (#40378915)
You make it sound like LLMs just make a few small mistakes when in reality they can hallucinate on a large scale.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jedberg on Thursday May 16, 2024 @12:28PM (#40380241)
Any use case where you treat the output like the work of a junior person and check it. Coding, law, writing. Pretty much anywhere that you can replace a junior employee with an LLM.

Google or Meta (don't remember which) just put out a report about how many human-hours they saved last year using transformers for coding.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by still_grokking on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:01AM (#40376152)
What are examples of these (very profitable) use cases?

Producing spam has some margin on it, but is it really very profitable? And else?