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Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by mlindner on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:03AM (#40363572)
That sounds a lot harder to prove than if they were going for negligence.
Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by dragonwriter on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:24AM (#40363706)
> That sounds a lot harder to prove than if they were going for negligence.

Well, it was solid enough that Boeing was willing to pay $2.5 billion plus accept a bunch of behavioral controls not to settle the charges, but simply to get a deferred prosecution agreement in which, if they were really good, they wouldn’t have to face charges for it.

Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by hgyjdetjj on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:56AM (#40363884)
Lying is quite easy to prove with a few incriminating emails.
Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by wsc981 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:38AM (#40364119)
One reason why the Dutch PM uses an old Nokia phone with very limited capacity, so he needs to delete SMS messages often: https://archive.ph/q6a3l

And I don't think he emails much :)

Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by ThunderSizzle on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @06:59AM (#40365259)
Deleting official communications can be a violation of law in the US. Hilary should've gone to jail for it, but she didn't because she's a Clinton.
Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by barkbyte on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @07:59AM (#40365738)
Trump habitually destroyed similar and also didn’t get prosecuted.
Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by ThunderSizzle on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @06:21PM (#40373121)
Of all the fake news "gotchas" about Trump I've heard, that's a new one for me.
Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by barkbyte on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:51PM (#40382971)
If you brush off anything negative as fake news it’s no surprise you’re not informed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/05/trump-rip...

Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by ThunderSizzle on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:26PM (#40385384)
Well, it's a WP hit piece, so it serves as well TP as far as I'm concerned - whixh I guess we need a lot of with how much crap we have to put up with today. Regardless, I don't I want my news fed to me by Bezos's empire.

Regardless, Clinton was never president, but she's afforded significantly more grace by the MSM than Trump ever has been. If this was about Clinton, WP's article would just say something to the tune of: yeah, she did it, but it's alright because she's a Clinton.

Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by P_I_Staker on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @11:22AM (#40368143)
Which have already been made public
Re:Department of Justice says Boeing may be criminally liabl... by fargle on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @10:05PM (#40374539)
well for one thing, simple negligence is not criminal negligence. Fraud is criminal, so it is intentionally harder to prove. and i think don't criminal negligence really applies here, but if so would have an equally high bar.

what happened also seems to fall much more squarely under fraud (e.g. lying to the FAA) than simple negligence. failing to notice that they missed steps or didn't complete paperwork would be negligent (which they probably have done), but existing criminal case is about intentionally lying about a design change and it's ramifications to game the certification process. that's really bad. way worse.