Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by Syntaf on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:23PM
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We've been using highlight for our bootstrapped member management platform[1] and I gotta say I'm super impressed with the session replay feature, it's really helpful for understanding user behavior at a fraction of the price of competitors.
I remember wanting to use Heap's session replay only to release they want hundreds of dollars per _month_, my last bill with highlight was $2.38 I recall.
That's all to say that I'm glad Highlight is figuring out how to scale while still offering their features to the small players of the world.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by tmzt on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:10PM
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Very nice and very inspirational for someone bootstrapping a startup.
The pages clearly defined what you are building and how to use it.
The explanation of platform fees makes sense, though it could more clear if the pricing examples are only based on those fees or are account limits to number of members or dues.
You might want to check your terms of service, they do not list a jurisdiction and have the placeholder [jurisdiction] instead.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by jkercher on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:40PM
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clickhouse-local is pretty slick as well. You can operate directly on text files as if they were tables. I made my own toy text file database thing and thought I was cool because I could outrun similar programs like q, textql, sqlite, etc. But clickhouse-local had me by a factor of 10 easy in every kind of query with every type of data. Those guys know stuff.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by ople on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:37AM
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Very interesting observations! Merge performance tuning seems often overlooked even though it's a key aspect of sustained ClickHouse performance.
I also like that the blog is quite compact and gets the points across without getting too much into the weeds.
One thing I've noticed also that bloom filter index types can be quite costly to merge. In many cases that's acceptable though due to the massive benefit they provide for text queries. One just has to be mindful of the overhead when adding them.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by vadman97 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:18PM
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Exploring bloom filter index merges would be an interesting addition. I do wish it were easier to profile merge performance to break down where most of the CPU time is being spent.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by Dachande663 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @04:34AM
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We found the "lots of small inserts" issue, and fixed it by just using the Buffered table engine[0]. Can create it as a replica of the destination table, and it stores inserts in memory until they cross a threshold and are written. Super simple and took 5 minutes.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by vadman97 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:12PM
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Once we hit >100k inserts per second, async inserts didn't work well for us because we had limited control over the background async insert batching happening on the cluster. The background inserts would be too small, resulting in many merges running, causing high CPU, causing high back-pressure (latency) on async inserts which would just result in an ingestion delay.
Plus, async inserts are only available on ClickHouse Cloud.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by dilyevsky on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @05:13PM
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Like sibling comment is saying - async inserts are part of the oss version. Batch flushes are tunable in two dimensions - size and latency. I think it’s likely the default size was just too low for your usecase
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by vadman97 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @06:59PM
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Forget the exact details, but we ran into issues with tuning the two setting you're describing on the Cloud instance (these settings were user level settings that seemed to get reset by ClickHouse Cloud because they were updated based on the cluster size). Perhaps this could change with Cloud and isn't an issue with the OSS version.
Re:Optimizing ClickHouse: The Tactics That Worked for Us
by JosephRedfern on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @08:13AM
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Thanks for sharing! I'm curious as to your approach to changing the ORDER BY key for such large tables without significant downtime, since AFAIK this can't be done in place (see: https://kb.altinity.com/altinity-kb-schema-design/change-ord...). Are you able to share any details?
I remember wanting to use Heap's session replay only to release they want hundreds of dollars per _month_, my last bill with highlight was $2.38 I recall.
That's all to say that I'm glad Highlight is figuring out how to scale while still offering their features to the small players of the world.
[1] https://embolt.app
The pages clearly defined what you are building and how to use it.
The explanation of platform fees makes sense, though it could more clear if the pricing examples are only based on those fees or are account limits to number of members or dues.
You might want to check your terms of service, they do not list a jurisdiction and have the placeholder [jurisdiction] instead.
Best of luck with it!
Just a heads up, You've got repeated line there
> OTLP
I also like that the blog is quite compact and gets the points across without getting too much into the weeds.
One thing I've noticed also that bloom filter index types can be quite costly to merge. In many cases that's acceptable though due to the massive benefit they provide for text queries. One just has to be mindful of the overhead when adding them.
[0] https://clickhouse.com/docs/en/engines/table-engines/special...
Plus, async inserts are only available on ClickHouse Cloud.
To enable asynchronous INSERTs, set `async_insert` to true.
Here is the documentation: https://clickhouse.com/docs/en/optimize/asynchronous-inserts ; intro: https://clickhouse.com/blog/asynchronous-data-inserts-in-cli... and a hands-on guide: https://clickhouse.com/blog/monitoring-asynchronous-data-ins...
* Create a new version of the table with the new ORDER BY.
* Create a materialized view that will insert from the old table to the new table.
* Update your application code to query the new table.
* Start inserting data into the new table.