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Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by tristramb on Monday May 13, 2024 @06:11AM (#40341498)
Exactly! The article is asking the wrong question. Ancient people would have been painting and marking all suitable surfaces in their environment, including each other. Just like modern day graffiti artists (and tatooists) do. But only those paintings and markings sheltered from weathering and decay have survived.
Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by bloat on Monday May 13, 2024 @06:34AM (#40341603)
Many caves with art in are extremely inaccessible. You need to explain why someone would risk their life and crawl through tiny openings in the pitch black to reach a specific location in order to make their art.

I can not believe that educated people think you can explore and explain human culture without considering "spiritual" stuff.

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by Retric on Monday May 13, 2024 @06:42AM (#40341660)
If you’re living in a cave entrance a lifetime of exploration is very different than what we think of as spelunking. Add generations of kids to the mix and little is going to remain unknown and unexplored.

No need for spiritual explanations for something that mundane.

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by Bjartr on Monday May 13, 2024 @08:23AM (#40342501)
People do seemingly crazy, risky things for seemingly innane reasons today. Why would ancient humans be different in that regard?
Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by msl09 on Monday May 13, 2024 @11:59AM (#40344767)
Yeah modern people go to extreme lengths to do the most out of reach graffiti

https://www.observatoriodoespacopublico.com/post/olhares-uso...

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by Tom3849 on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:32AM (#40343824)
Caves evolve, perhaps there was a landslide that covered old entrance, and that is the only reason why paintings survived. I do not believe paintings would survive in open easily accessible cave. Just the urine from bats...

As for spirituality, people 30k years ago very quite sophisticated. They had paintings, music, maps, religion, porn... But entire population of Europe was like 100k people. And there was no need to crawl into one way death trap, when they had 1000km^2 to explore!

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by munificent on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:48AM (#40343971)
You're just restating the parent comment's point.

Assume that prehistoric people drew pictures all over the place, which, given the inclinations of modern humans seems to be true. Then assume that every easily accessible place is likely to have its art erased over overwritten by later humans. Also a reasonable assumption.

What's left? The only ancient cave art we find is the stuff that's highly inaccessible.

In other words, the cave art we see today doesn't reflect the behavior of the original artists as much as it reflects the behavior of later humans that would intercede.

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by stijnstijn on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:52AM (#40344016)
Consider this for a while longer yourself. Even if many such paintings have been made in easily accessible locations and they do not survive for this reason, the fact remains that more than a few cave paintings have turned up in locations that are very inaccessible and were likely also very inaccessible at the time they were made. The paintings appear to be complex enough that they cannot be discarded as merely graffiti by people who found themselves in an inaccessible location by accident and wanted to leave a mark.

Survivor bias explains why these paintings still exist. It does not explain why they were made.

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by Tom3849 on Monday May 13, 2024 @10:57AM (#40344076)
But we agree.

I am saying people made thousands, most likely millions paintings like that. Only very small fraction survived.

But there is no need for some extra ordinary explanation like "artists were high-status shamans".

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by datadrivenangel on Monday May 13, 2024 @11:19AM (#40344319)
I paint random stuff like rocks in my garden.

Regular acrylic paints degrade after a few years of regular exposure. I hope some of my work survives and someone thinks I was a high status shaman, but more importantly I know that little children walking by have been delighted by a rock painted like a bug. It's the little things.

Re:Why Make Art in the Dark? by lancesells on Monday May 13, 2024 @11:56AM (#40344733)
> I can not believe "educated" people would not come with this solution, and instead have to invent this spiritual stuff.

Why would you think the Ice Age world would be less spiritual than today? Seems in our modern, "educated" world there's plenty of people believing in some form of god.