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Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by AnthonyMouse on Saturday May 11, 2024 @08:37PM (#40331525)
> We already require this for people with seizures, for people needing glasses to wear them, etc.

But then you have the same problem against something which is much harder to measure.

Many people have glasses even though their vision is mostly fine and it's perfectly reasonable to drive without them, the glasses just make things slightly more focused. Other people are effectively blind without corrective lenses.

ADHD is the same way only you don't have a nice mathematically precise lens prescription to tell you the degree of it, and with no objective way to measure the severity, just asking people a question that everybody knows can cause you to have a restriction placed on you is pointless and only invites people to lie. Which in turn may make them less likely to seek and receive medical treatment -- the thing you want to happen if they are a hazard without it.

This is further complicated by what the treatments for severe ADHD are. Can you imagine the headlines? "Government forces drivers to drive on meth."

Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by giantg2 on Sunday May 12, 2024 @07:42AM (#40333611)
The easy thing to measure with it is how many accidents are attributed to the person in a given time period. If you have 5 accidents including totalling 3 cars in the last 2 years of high school, you shouldn't be driving.
Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by AnthonyMouse on Sunday May 12, 2024 @03:21PM (#40336809)
That doesn't actually tell you anything. Someone who drives 100,000 miles/year at the same level of safety would have 20 times more accidents in the same period of time than someone who drives 5000 miles/year. Certain areas have more traffic or are otherwise more prone to accidents. 5 is not a large enough statistical sample to know if someone is the cause or just unlucky.
Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by giantg2 on Sunday May 12, 2024 @07:16PM (#40338310)
Yeah yeah, you have to report mileage for insurance and registration so of course that will be taken into account. Even if you drive 100k miles in 5 years, you should not have 5 accidents that were your fault. That's just insanely unsafe.

The cause isn't determined by luck or number - it's determined by the facts that show you or the other person was at fault (or that nobody was at fault).

Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by AnthonyMouse on Monday May 13, 2024 @04:52AM (#40341093)
> you have to report mileage for insurance and registration

You don't necessarily have to report mileage for insurance, it only happens for registration when the vehicle changes ownership, and in either case that is the mileage on the vehicle rather than the driver. Someone who drives 100,000 miles a year might very well be doing it in multiple different vehicles.

> Even if you drive 100k miles in 5 years, you should not have 5 accidents that were your fault. That's just insanely unsafe.

It's not a large statistical sample. A large proportion of the people it happens to will be drivers of average skill operating under conditions with above-average risk. Being an unsafe driver isn't the same thing as driving in an area with unsafe intersections.

> The cause isn't determined by luck or number - it's determined by the facts that show you or the other person was at fault (or that nobody was at fault).

Most of these investigations are cursory unless someone dies, and under those conditions they're basically impossible to get right except by chance. One car rear-ended the other, the driver in front says the other one was following too closely, the one in back says the other cut them off and then slammed on the brakes, there were no unbiased witnesses. Whatever goes into that report is going to have the accuracy of a coin flip if the accident isn't one that warrants a thorough investigation -- and even then there may be no way to ever know what really happened.

Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by giantg2 on Monday May 13, 2024 @05:51AM (#40341404)
My state requires mileage every year. Even if it's not accurate for everyone, it's accurate enough for vast majority of people.

Even if you talk about someone cutting you off, that doesn't happen often. You aren't going to get 5 "coin flip" accidents in 5 years. There are dash cams if you're really that concerned. Which brings up another good point. If you really think that fault will be attributed to you incorrectly that often, then your insurance will surely go up, so you already have a dash cam to protect yourself from this existing reality you are peddling?

Re:Metabolism of autism reveals developmental origins by AnthonyMouse on Monday May 13, 2024 @08:22PM (#40350190)
> Even if it's not accurate for everyone, it's accurate enough for vast majority of people.

It has to be accurate for everyone. You're talking about imposing a restriction that amounts to house arrest for anyone who can't afford a city apartment or a chauffeur.

> Even if you talk about someone cutting you off, that doesn't happen often.

I see that you have not experienced the wonders of New York traffic.

> You aren't going to get 5 "coin flip" accidents in 5 years.

If you flip a coin 5 times in a row, the chances of it coming up tails every time is 1 in 32. Against a hundred million drivers that's a lot of people.

And that's assuming it's fully random and not e.g. you have the first two falsely attributed to you at random, at which point investigating officers see your record and become biased to finding you at fault in any case going forward.

> If you really think that fault will be attributed to you incorrectly that often, then your insurance will surely go up, so you already have a dash cam to protect yourself from this existing reality you are peddling?

People don't think it will happen ahead of time, they realize it can happen after it already has.

US motor vehicle laws are also (presumably intentionally) designed to let the police come to any conclusion they want as a pretext for searches or revenue-generating citations. For example, hardly anybody follows the speed limit, so if you drive below the speed limit then you're impeding the normal flow of traffic (nominally a violation), and causing a (real) hazard because other cars will bunch up and perform lane change maneuvers to go around you. It's also "suspicious"; the people who do it are disproportionately drunk or in possession of contraband. But if you drive with the flow of traffic then you're speeding which is also a violation.

A dash cam might then help you if an accident is caused by the other driver doing something egregious, but if it's caused by e.g. bad road design and the officer is nonetheless expected to assign fault to somebody, now you're handing them a pile of evidence from which to identify common violations. It's not obvious that it helps you.