Well, maybe the tide is turning. HN is usually left-leaning but I'd think after a number of hard-to-deny realities people might change their views.

That, or the thread is too big and I haven't been detected yet. :D

But even if I eat 1000 down arrows, I would not change my mind. What I said is pretty visible and there would be a lot of mental gymnastics necessary for it to be denied.