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Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by bmitc on Thursday May 09, 2024 @10:07PM (#40314874)
Rocket launches are far more environmentally non-friendly than planes. You can't just look at fuel capacity. It's the composition and where the waste product gets dumped. Rockets dump their waste much higher up in parts of the atmosphere much more sensitive to it. Comparing a rocket and plane isn't an effective comparison in terms of environment impact. So this:

> A single 747 burns more fuel in a year than all the Starlink launches in the past five years.

is not an accurate summary of the environmental impact of rocket launches.

Also, rocket launches are incredibly disruptive to the local ecosystems of the launch sites.

Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by jryle70 on Thursday May 09, 2024 @11:23PM (#40315216)
> is not an accurate summary of the environmental impact of rocket launches.

So what is the accurate summary of the environmental impact of rocket launches? 10 times more than B747? 100 times? How would it look compared to aviation?

> rocket launches are incredibly disruptive to the local ecosystems of the launch sites.

Not according to FAA when they issued license for SpaceX's launches at KSC - [0]

[0] - https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/space/environmental/...

Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by bmitc on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:46AM (#40316054)
You can just search for it. The general answer is that it is not good, and it's getting worse. The comparison to aviation, once again, is not really needed. Aviation is extremely polluting and damaging to the environment (not just poluttants but also disease and invasive seed spreading). There's nonquestion about that. But it isn't related to rocket launches anymore than other pollution.

Here's a couple of articles.

https://research.noaa.gov/2022/06/21/projected-increase-in-s...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/science/rocket-pollution-...

What's more, and this is touched some in the articles, deorbiting satellites so routinely is dumping toxic metals and plastics into the upper atmosphere at increasing rates. We're literally turning the atmosphere into a burn skyfill.

> Not according to FAA when they issued license for SpaceX's launches at KSC

The FAA is not an environmental or even scientific agency. Additionally, the FAA has revealed itself to be a captured regulator in several instances. There's no question that it is susceptible to political and monetary pressures.

Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by heavenlyblue on Friday May 10, 2024 @06:00PM (#40324191)
Are you trying to say there's more sattelites falling from the sky than meteorites burning in the atmosphere? That's almost certinly not true.
Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by bmitc on Saturday May 11, 2024 @01:39AM (#40326217)
How are meteorites remotely relevant to what's being discussed?
Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by palata on Friday May 10, 2024 @05:33PM (#40323987)
> How would it look compared to aviation?

Well the goal of SpaceX is to launch as many rockets as technically possible. Even if SpaceX could only reach the same impact as the rest of the aviation sector, that would be infinitely too much. The aviation sector is already a problem.

Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by ggreer on Friday May 10, 2024 @12:58PM (#40321221)
Falcon 9's exhaust is almost entirely carbon dioxide and water vapor. If anything the exhaust is less polluting than aircraft or combustion vehicles, as air-breathing engines create nitrogen oxides.
Re:How bad are satellite megaconstellations for astronomy? by bmitc on Friday May 10, 2024 @03:02PM (#40322692)
And yet, that's not true. One of the primary impacts from rocket launches are the heights they reach and the particles they produce, as mentioned in the articles I posted elsewhere.