They are also dangerous and that’s also a big reason why nobody hangs out there after a certain time. European downtowns are family friendly and actually nice and safe, unlike the US.

I think the comment about Kansas City shows that the big reason nobody hangs out there is that nobody actually lives there. And so since after 18:00 everybody these huge, built-up areas are suddenly available, you create excellent conditions for things that'll keep people from going there.

The 'secret' of European downtowns is that they are not uninhabited.

The answer is crime. It's always crime.

This is why you hear about a housing affordability problem in Washington DC despite a quick search showing dozens of recent sales for 2-3 bedroom apartments for under $100,000.

There never was a housing shortage, there’s just a shortage of people willing to live in vibrant urban neighborhoods.

> vibrant urban neighborhoods.

is that a euphemism? DC used to lead the nation in murder rate for decades -- the DC basketball team used to be the Washington Bullets, which stopped being ironic and funny after a couple years. There are still DC neighborhoods where the police won't send cops without 3+ cars of backup.

DC has gotten much better but is still like #12 or #13 in the US, and it's bad areas are still very bad. The rest of the Fed-Gov areas in the city are locked down hard, but no one lives there, and nearby areas Georgetown or Tenleytown are expensive. Source: from the area, went to AU, had to do background investigations on dudes in SE DC.

You say vibrant. I would say crime-ridden and politically charged.

Houses that are in bad areas where no one wants to live willingly isn't part of acceptable housing inventory.

I think you might need to look closer because the HOA or coop fees are insane.

I guess one man's "vibrant" is another man's "violent".

With remote work they are dead all the time now

The death of the third place is far more important than any impact remote work has had.

Third place is a specific term for those who have not been familiarized:

"In sociology, the third place refers to the social surroundings that are separate from the two usual social environments of home ("first place") and the workplace ("second place")."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

Not sure i get your point

If all that existed in those now dead downtown neighbourhoods were offices then of course they’d be dead with a significant disruption to work. What’s missing are still third places, and probably first places too.