Apple introduces M4 chip

Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by lemcoe9 on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @11:52AM (#40287282)

The 4090 costs ~$1800 and doesn't have dual OLED screens, doesn't have a battery, doesn't weigh less than a pound, and doesn't actually do anything unless it is plugged into a larger motherboard, either.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by talldayo on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:37PM (#40287989)

From Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/opencl-benchmarks

Apple M3: 29685

RTX 4090: 320220

When you line it up like that it's kinda surprising the 4090 is just $1800. They could sell it for $5,000 a pop and it would still be better value than the highest end Apple Silicon.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by nicce on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @01:02PM (#40288388)

A bit off-topic since not applicable for iPad:

Adding also M3 MAX: 86072

I wonder the results if the test would be done on Asahi Linux some day. Apple implementation is fairly unoptimized AFAK.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by haswell on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @04:32PM (#40291107)

Comparing these directly like this is problematic.

The 4090 is highly specialized and not usable for general purpose computing.

Whether or not it's a better value than Apple Silicon will highly depend on what you intend to do with it. Especially if your goal is to have a device you can put in your backpack.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by talldayo on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @05:37PM (#40291817)

I'm not the one making the comparison, I'm just providing the compute numbers to the people who did. Decide for yourself what that means, the only conclusion I made on was compute-per-dollar.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by aurareturn on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @08:43PM (#40293195)

I think it would be simpler to compare cost/transistor.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by pulse7 on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @03:28AM (#40295280)

This is true, but... RTX 4090 has only 24GB RAM and M3 can run with 192GB RAM... A game changer for largest/best models...

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by talldayo on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @01:48PM (#40300974)

CUDA features unified memory that is only limited by the bandwidth of your PCIe connector: https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/unified-memory-cuda-beginn...

People have been tiling 24gb+ models on a single (or several) 3090/4090s for a while now.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by seec on Saturday May 11, 2024 @07:44PM (#40331337)

Shhh, don't correct the believers, they might learn something.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by trvz on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @07:19AM (#40296689)

That's for OpenCL, Apple gets higher scores through Metal.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by talldayo on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @01:49PM (#40300987)

And Nvidia annihilates those scores with CUBlas. I'm going to play nice and post the OpenCL scores since both sides get a fair opportunity to optimize for it.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by trvz on Thursday May 09, 2024 @01:48PM (#40310812)

Actually, I'd like to see Nvidia's highest Geekbench scores. Feel free to link them.

It's stupid to look at OpenCL when that's not what's used in real use.

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Re:Apple introduces M4 chip by janalsncm on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @12:41PM (#40288051)

And yet it’s worth it for deep learning. I’d like to see a benchmark training Resnet on an iPad.

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