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Re:Daniel Dennett: 'Where Am I?' by llamaimperative on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:14PM (#40277719)
It shouldn't be that hard: you don't like suffering, right? There you go! Those numbers/matrices are bad because they feel bad.
Re:Daniel Dennett: 'Where Am I?' by gosub100 on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:21PM (#40277804)
so all thats necessary for someone to inflict pain is to claim they personally enjoy it?
Re:Daniel Dennett: 'Where Am I?' by llamaimperative on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:28PM (#40277883)
No, they need to convince a large portion of society that it's good enough to allow. So far the arc of human history has shown this to be a difficult argument to make at scale and at length.
Re:Daniel Dennett: 'Where Am I?' by gosub100 on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:31PM (#40277911)
but "they" don't exist to the agent inflicting pain. "they" are just a number, by definition. Just the result of a calculation...

Edit: or if you dont like that explanation, why should a consensus of a calculation have any more merit than an individual calculation?

Re:Daniel Dennett: 'Where Am I?' by llamaimperative on Monday May 06, 2024 @02:38PM (#40277987)
Well no, the agent's model of the other person is just data, but this model is so convincing that most people don't perceive it as such and they're thoroughly convinced of the realness of the other person.

Consensus matters because if people around you disagree with you they will kill you or put you in prison. At rock bottom this is how all laws and ethical norms are created.