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Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by bawolff on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:31PM (#40268636)
> Could you please explain how you envision the hostage release to be achieved through bombing and systematic destruction of the area that they are held in? It sounds much more likely to kill them instead. Why not simply negotiate a hostage exchange?

That presumes that there is something hamas wants that is viable for israel to give them. Its far from obvious that is the case in this conflict.

Its not like "carrot and stick" negotiating tactics are unique to this conflict.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by afavour on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:37PM (#40268683)
> That presumes that there is something hamas wants that is viable for israel to give them. Its far from obvious that is the case in this conflict.

If that’s true (and I agree that it may well be) then surely Israel’s army’s efforts can’t be in aid of hostage release, because it’s an entirely unattainable goal?

I think that’s what the OP is getting at. The tactics we see don’t seem like they’d be effective ways to rescue hostages. Nor does it feel all that viable to persuade Hamas to release the hostages. So what are the current tactics in aid of?

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by bawolff on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:48PM (#40268792)
There are two ways it could in theory be in aid of that goal:

- putting pressure - even if there is nothing now to negotiate with, military action could reduce hamas's negotiating position and in principle cause them to sue for peace. I'm a bit doubtful in this conflict, but traditionally this how war works. If your enemy refuses to surrender, you take their land until either they surrender or they have no more land. For example in world war 1, there was still a lot of deaths right up until the armistice even though people knew fighting was going to stop soon, because the sides thought the more land we have now, the better our position will be during the peace negotiations.

- second, Israeli army could find where the hostages are and take them back by force. Also pretty hard, but if negotiations are unattainable its not surprising they would go here as the only other option.

Most wars happen to obtain goals that are unattainable by peaceful negotiation. I don't think this conflict is any different in that regard than any other.