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Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by YZF on Sunday May 05, 2024 @04:44PM (#40268164)
There are also many other foreign journalists in Israel. Other than Al Jazeera there are no restrictions on foreign media from operating in Israel. Certainly not western foreign media.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by sa501428 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:05PM (#40268368)
There are indeed restrictions on western foreign media.

"Like all foreign news organizations operating in Israel, CNN’s Jerusalem bureau is subject to the rules of the Israel Defense Forces’s censor, which dictates subjects that are off-limits for news organizations to cover, and censors articles it deems unfit or unsafe to print. ... the military censor recently restricted eight subjects, including security cabinet meetings, information about hostages, and reporting on weapons captured by fighters in Gaza. In order to obtain a press pass in Israel, foreign reporters must sign a document agreeing to abide by the dictates of the censor."

https://theintercept.com/2024/01/04/cnn-israel-gaza-idf-repo...

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-medi...

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by flumpcakes on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:21PM (#40268529)
This seems reasonable to me? If a western press were outside missile factories saying "this is the only place our super missiles are built!" I would expect the department of defence to block that information from being published...
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by SauciestGNU on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:29PM (#40268607)
That's unlawful in the United States, whose values Israel purportedly represents. It's called "prior restraint".
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by vundercind on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:40PM (#40269256)
It’s very much legal in wartime, for exactly those sorts of purposes. Though I’m not sure we’ve tested the legality of it in this modern world where nobody actually formally declares war anymore—I don’t think it’s been attempted.

(Please don’t flame thinking I’m hardcore in support of a particular side in this war due to this post—you’ve very likely gotten the wrong impression. I’m commenting only on the narrow point that the US in fact can censor, including with prior restraint in certain circumstances, during war.)

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by everybodyknows on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:53PM (#40276671)
> during war

The United States's last declaration of war was 83 years ago. Since then it's been all "police actions" or some such. What meaning does "during war" carry in the world of today?

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by flumpcakes on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:46PM (#40268773)
Are you saying the United States would not block something being reported by the media? Because that is certainly false.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by mhuffman on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:47PM (#40269687)
My understanding is that they put a lot of pressure to block things and sometimes offer quid pro quo and sometimes even implant operatives in certain media positions, but legally they can't just come in and shut it down.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by SauciestGNU on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:49PM (#40268797)
There is not legal mechanism for that to occur unless the writer is a government employee
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by feedforward on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:36PM (#40269226)
Well the parent said there are no restrictions and there are restrictions.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by trandango on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:06PM (#40268388)
There absolutely are restrictions. No journalists are allowed in Gaza, which is at odds with almost every other conflict in the past hundred years.

The stated reason is "to keep journalists safe". But journalists have risked their lives in many conflicts to bring the news to people, its their choice to risk their life or not. Unless one were to believe that all journalists biased against israel, there is no reason to restrict all journalists. Why not let in Christiane Amanpour, or many other western trained and western paid journalists?

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by flumpcakes on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:25PM (#40268563)
Is this true? I do not think journalists are just allowed to the front lines of any war. The entire Gaza strip seems like one giant front line. There needs to be more journalists reporting but I think just allowing anyone to walk anywhere because they've got 'press' on their jacket is probably just going to end up with dead journalists considering journalists will want to be were the fighting is and will gravitate towards danger.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Maxious on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:52PM (#40268825)
War correspondents have been around since at least the French revolution. Article 79 of Additional Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions provides for protection of war correspondents to the level of civilians.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by SauciestGNU on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:30PM (#40268620)
IDF also kills journalists for sport (Shireen Abu-Akleh comes to mind).
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by flumpcakes on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:44PM (#40268753)
That seems very reductive to just say that as if it is a fact. 90% of the claims I've seen about the IDF end up being just nonsense. I did pay very close attention to what happened with Shireen Abu-Akleh and I think that was definitely not dealt with in a satisfactory way.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by so_delphi on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:06PM (#40268941)
"not dealt with in a satisfactory way" is exactly the justification that IDF has used after many similar circumstances. Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by arp242 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:26PM (#40269133)
> Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions.

I think that's a fair statement, but also a far cry from "killing journalists for sport". These kind of exaggerated claims aren't helpful.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by ictebres on Monday May 06, 2024 @05:00AM (#40272651)
> According to Reporters Without Borders' tally, at least 105 [journalists] have so far [since October 7th] been killed by Israeli airstrikes, rockets and gunfire, including at least 22 in the course of their work.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/....

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by arp242 on Monday May 06, 2024 @06:20AM (#40273017)
Were they killed "for sport" (implying deliberate targetting)? With almost 35,000 dead, 105 journalists is about 0.3% of that. Seems about right as "normal" casualties.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by justin66 on Monday May 06, 2024 @09:45AM (#40274617)
"We didn't target them because they were journalists. We thought we were shooting at regular unarmed civilians."
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by arp242 on Monday May 06, 2024 @10:49AM (#40275353)
Look, I have a lot of criticism about not just this war, but how the Palestinian people have been treated over the last 60 years. But you can't just say things like "they're targetting journalists for sport" and then pivot to this type of stuff when pressed.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by justin66 on Monday May 06, 2024 @12:42PM (#40276565)
I’m not the person you were originally interacting with, so I wasn’t “pivoting” - sorry to cause confusion!

There’s not really any doubt that the press feel they’re targeted, I think some have gone on the record about it. I don’t know how well we can really test such a claim absent the cooperation of the IDF, which will never happen.

My comment is meant to be a joke about how some of this stuff is grimly academic. If your army has enough xenophobic misanthropes and incompetent reservists who are willing to shoot at anything not wearing their uniform, the notion of a class of people being “targeted” is rendered redundant.

The Hebrew-speaking hostages who were killed while trying to surrender were just one aspect of this conflict that someone writing a really dark antiwar comedy might have come up with.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by arp242 on Tuesday May 07, 2024 @03:04AM (#40283124)
> My comment is meant to be a joke about how some of this stuff is grimly academic.

Well it's not "academic" if it occupies quite a bit of the public debate, and it's also not helpful if it's actually fairly easy to debunk, and is just fuel for the "they will make up anything to make us look bad" line. All of that energy can and should be spent elsewhere.

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by selimthegrim on Monday May 06, 2024 @11:03AM (#40275505)
Why was her funeral disrupted to the point of tossing the coffin about?
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by DiogenesKynikos on Monday May 06, 2024 @06:18PM (#40280158)
For those who aren't familiar with this, after the IDF shot American-Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh to death, Israeli security forces attacked her funeral procession. There's a video of Israeli soldiers physically beating the pall bearers, and the coffin nearly falling to the ground.[0]

0. https://youtu.be/y11CVGz7toM?si=ME1qQTQR3FVA0bz_

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by YZF on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:41PM (#40269264)
We should also keep in mind the Palestinians refused to allow the IDF to conduct its own forensic investigation. That's partly why the was no definite conclusion from the investigation into the matter. You can't demand that Israel investigate and then not enable it to do so.

"The US State Department subsequently announced on July 4 that tests by independent ballistics experts under U.S. oversight were not conclusive about the gun it was fired from but that US officials have concluded that gunfire from Israeli positions most likely killed Akleh and that there was "no reason to believe" her shooting was intentional. US investigators had "full access"[138] to both IDF and PA investigations.[139][140][141] The Palestinian Public Prosecutor's Office disputes the US conclusion that the bullet cannot be matched to a gun and maintains its position that the killing was premeditated.[142] On July 5, the US stressed that it did not conduct its own probe, but the conclusion was a "summation" of investigations by the Palestinian Authority and Israel.[143]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Subsequent_i...

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Jochim on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:53PM (#40269359)
Funny how often that seems to happen with the IDF.
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Maxious on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:10PM (#40268424)
> Israel’s military can continue barring foreign journalists from accessing the Gaza Strip, the High Court said Monday, citing ongoing security concerns after months in which only Gazans or correspondents accompanied by the army have been able to report from inside the enclave.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/high-court-says-israel-can-kee...

Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by Ecstatify on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:02PM (#40268347)
Re:Israel shuts down local Al Jazeera offices by adhamsalama on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:54PM (#40268841)
They literally kill journalists, including western journalists.