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Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by flohofwoe on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:37AM (#40263433)
> ...in favour of tightening the online service to make future development easier.

I really doubt that there is a single technical reason behind the decision, it's more likely that it has been enforced by Sony business peeps.

Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by sigmoid10 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:39AM (#40263447)
There is no business reason to cut down your own market unless it comes with additional expenses due to technical reasons. I'm pretty sure someone weighed these numbers again after the game's huge upgrades in infrastructure due to its unexpected success and decided differently this time.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by flohofwoe on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:42AM (#40263469)
Maybe somebody at Sony needs to push those PSN user numbers up to get ahead in the rat race.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by sigmoid10 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:45AM (#40263488)
How would removing players from steam push their numbers? Especially since it is obvious from the charts that the removed countries contributed almost nothing to the active playerbase?
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by flohofwoe on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:50AM (#40263515)
Every Helldivers 2 player on Steam needs to create a Playstation Network account now, even if they don't own a Playstation. Without PSN account Steam users won't be able to play the game in a couple of days.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by sigmoid10 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:07AM (#40263928)
Yes, that is what is happening. But it is not an explanation for why, because by itself that action is going to reduce SIA's market and thereby revenue. There must be a technical/legal reason and other comments have already pointed out how the current system is both trashy for developers and legally risky.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by Ekaros on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:43AM (#40264442)
Doesn't matter if different people are responsible for number of accounts and from revenue... One will push for this and other one likely have not even noticed...
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by out_of_protocol on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:06AM (#40263598)
Not obvious at all, so far

> look at steam charts, the player count did not take any obvious hit

> the actual impact won't be fully visible until May 30th or June 4th since that's when they will start blocking access to the game for players who didn't link their accounts

Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by sigmoid10 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:04AM (#40263911)
Considering the 100k+ bad reviews already left in the past 3 days, it seems there is no impact beyond that.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by SXX on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:43AM (#40264436)
There would be no impact if this game was some MMORPG or mostly singleplayer title.

Helldivers is PvE game-as-a-service and it's model works best when network effects are strong. Basically a lot of people are playing such games because their friends are playing it. And the most opinionated and active people are the ones who bring their friends into the game.

So even if relatively small percent of active playerbase will leave the game they'll likely to take some of their friends with them, etc.

Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by wokwokwok on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:13AM (#40263958)
Come on, they want this to be a PlayStation exclusive because it boosts ps5 sales and everyone wants to have the “hits” only on their platform. they just can’t easily get away with it.

Suuurrree, there are rumours about Xbox (https://insider-gaming.com/sony-helldivers-2-on-xbox/) but I’m gonna go out a limb here and say there’s sweet duck all chance in hell of that happening now.

Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by Turskarama on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:37AM (#40264806)
If they wanted it to be a PlayStation exclusive they never would have launched it on PC to begin with.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by flohofwoe on Sunday May 05, 2024 @10:19AM (#40265092)
Helldivers 2 seems to be a bit of a surprise hit, that might have influenced some post-launch decisions.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:54AM (#40263850)
I like how people on here act as if corporations are not run by humans with personal flaws and huge egos
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by mfost on Sunday May 05, 2024 @06:31AM (#40263726)
There is a good technical reason behind that. As far as I can see crossplay doesn't work well at all in the game right now. Mostly issues where inviting friends to play is broken. This isn't surprising when you do not have a common identity system to fallback on for all players.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by shkkmo on Sunday May 05, 2024 @10:25AM (#40265132)
There are constent issues, but I have a large number of hours spent playing on my steam deck with a PS5 player.
Re:Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 C... by anonymousab on Sunday May 05, 2024 @12:55PM (#40266277)
Most of the reasons reported are around moderation. I think it's simply much easier for Sony to ban an account on their system (and revoke all of its content licenses as punishment) than it is to manage and wrangle steam account bans.

PSN accounts are subject to their own, malleable ToS whereas they are somewhat limited in their reprisals against a steam account, beyond simple bans.