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Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by pelorat on Sunday May 05, 2024 @05:20AM (#40263367)
Because the USA is built on structural racism. You still track how people vote based on race, you allow the authorities to record race in databases and in some cases you have to fill in your race on official document.

Non-whites are being kept down by a ruling class. In some cases it it on purpose (gerrymandering of voting districts based on skin color - a GOP favorite) and in some cases it's because of hidden biases (recruiters favoring people of their own skin color and background without thinking about it).

This, believe it or not, happens at the university level too by the people who are processing admissions.

It's not a white thing, every race does it, but in the USA most companies, governments and schools are run by a white people.

"I would never do that!" I can hear you say. But you probably would favor someone of your own background when looking to hire someone.

Go to a a random European country where Asians and people with African background are the minorities and you'll see Asian men with Asian women, and black men with black women and guess what, they too have an racist bias that they (most likely) are not aware of.

DEI is meant to be a counter to this.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by silverquiet on Sunday May 05, 2024 @07:46AM (#40264119)
I often see the "complaint" (hard to find the right word here - it's discussed in somewhat coded/conspiratorial language for fear of sounding racist I'm sure) that when Indians are hired into a company, they'll then begin hiring more and more Indians. As you say, this is actually a rather natural human tendency and I doubt it's limited to Indians. Of course, many people here will also note that they get most of their jobs through their network (side note; it must be nice speaking as an introvert who just has to apply to jobs like a regular schlub). Well, if you're Indian, especially from India, I bet your network is going to be fairly Indian.
Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by Eddy_Viscosity2 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @08:51AM (#40264489)
> DEI is meant to be a counter to this.

If DEI was about removing barriers due to racial (both conscious and unconscious) biases, then it wouldn't be so controversial. For example, symphonies auditioning candidates behind a screen so they hiring people are only presented with the sound of their playing. But DEI is the opposite of that. It's about very explicitly identifying race/gender/etc up front and then using that as the primary basis for hiring decisions. Disqualifying someone because of their race is not only allowed but required by DEI policies.

Re:MIT abandons use of DEI statements by inemesitaffia on Sunday May 05, 2024 @09:05AM (#40264610)
How did we end up with it ending up as "no more white males", white people excluded from events and buildings, people talking about how they like their white free orgs in publicly traded companies, companies with no white people in a white majority city described as diverse, someone posting on HN with a full sense of righteousness about the Google Gemini racism scandal that he'd consider a request for a photo containing only white people to an LLM suspect but one of any other ethnicity perfectly fine.

From me I'd like to ask where all the people from the Indian sub continent are in the Gemini Photos given they make a large percentage of developers at Google but are non existent in the output. Why the literal erasure of ~2 billion people?