Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by pcthrowaway on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:37PM
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I suspect there's a lot of confusion that happens with anxiety[1] being an emotion, and anxiety disorders[2] being clinically diagnosable mental health conditions.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by JohnFen on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:08PM
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That data looks to be about 20 years older than the data in the report I linked to. That's a large time differential. Directly comparing them may be misleading.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by ein0p on Thursday May 02, 2024 @01:53PM
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Could be an apples to oranges comparison given how anxiety inducing entrepreneurship is. If you consider anxiety as a mental health issue, 87.7% is an underestimate
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by bzhang255 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:44PM
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Anxiety is considered a mental health issue by both the featured article and by NIMH, and considering that the 87.7% figure is self-reported, it's probably overestimated.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by ein0p on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:04PM
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If anxiety is a “mental health issue” then 100% of people have mental health issues. Show me a person who’s not anxious about at least something in their life. But it’s especially prominent for entrepreneurs who take on a lot more risk than a normal person
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by bzhang255 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:32PM
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Anxiety is a somewhat overloaded word, in my opinion, because while you're right that everyone experiences "anxiety", there's a distinction between that and an anxiety disorder, which is recognized as a very real mental health issue. This is also why I suspect that letting people self-report will result in overestimating people suffering from anxiety disorders as a mental health issue, vs experiencing regular anxiety.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by lambdaxyzw on Thursday May 02, 2024 @07:29PM
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Self reported? I'm not anxious about anything in my life. I'm worried about some things (line illness in my family), but I'm definitely not anxious over them and they never trouble me when going to sleep, for example.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by Nasrudith on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:24PM
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Interesting. I wonder how much of it has to do with entrepreneurs being more likely to have access to and ability to afford psychiatric care and thus diagnose the issue precisely in the first place instead of just being generally considered crazy by onlookers.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by talldayo on Thursday May 02, 2024 @12:05PM
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I know this is going to be interpreted as rude, but I feel inclined to say it anyways; reading through HN's comments you really start to get this impression.
On a regular basis, I am exposed to "Ask HN:" submissions featuring utterly stupid, petty or downright inhumane suggestions that almost seem like a joke. The comment sections are all littered with pre-banned comments from profiles that can't make a positive comment to save their life. People promote down-and-out businesses with insane bot-brigades and then switch to racism and bigotry when they don't get the attention they seek. Products crop up that make no sense, investors that have no self-preservation instinct invest in them, and then your Juicero/DogTV/RabbitR1 gets sold to the next most-eager shmuck that also intends to abuse their audience for money.
Entrepreneurship, as well as this website, I suspect are magnets for the mentally-struggling. Sometimes I really do have a moment of existential crisis, wondering how poorly I'll be remembered posting my comment below the guy that commoditizes Senior-Care-as-a-service in the year 2045.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by xyst on Thursday May 02, 2024 @12:10PM
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Based on headline, I thought it was going to be about the varying degrees of psychopathy of founders. Or maybe the lack of empathy.
I guess the suggestion here is entrepreneurs are much more likely to develop or amplify existing mental health issues (anxiety, impostor syndrome, depression, financial stress)
Personally, I think of an entrepreneur as a strictly business decision. Set specific goals that need to be met in order to determine future sustainability. If goals are not met. Then shelf the project and cut your losses.
The added stress of wearing multiple hats is acknowledged though. I’m not much of a marketing type person and getting that right is often half the battle.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by sph on Thursday May 02, 2024 @01:27PM
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What mental health problem is "massive generalisation and simplification of reality?"
Also, you are making the banal mistake of reading "entrepreneur" as a synonym of the big evil Fortune 500 CEO. A shoemaker, for example, is an entrepreneur, a niche that does not benefit from being a sociopath. But it does massively help for being the CEO of Nestlé or any other megacorporation.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by schluffinplan on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:05PM
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This makes me think of Michel Foucault's perspective on mental illness. That what we pathologize in society is related to what society values negatively in someone's personality and temperament. I agree that this has been historically true but may be changing more with the modern approach to mental illness.
The way the idea of pathology was taught to me when I took my introductory Psychology classes was framed more in relationship to the idea of healthy functioning. This meant being able to fulfill obligations like being able to work and take care of yourself but also recognizing conditions whose harm is more internally felt.
This definition presented to me doesn't entirely escape Foucault's view of your environment determining what is or isn't a pathology, but when it was taught to me it felt like a reflection of a less socially determined view of mental illness. Mental illness has gained a greater emphasis on helping to improve the personal mental state of the individual irrespective of social expectations. Maybe I am being more idealistic with this thinking.
It would interesting to hear from someone with more professional experience on this since I've only dabbled with a few college classes and books on the subject so my knowledge is quite limited.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by ekanes on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:49PM
(#40240664)
ADHD is also far over-represented, I think, which makes sense. a) novelty-seeking b) new problems to solve c) less likely to have a lot of formal education, etc etc.
Re:87.7% of entrepreneurs struggle with at least one mental ...
by mikhael28 on Friday May 03, 2024 @09:01AM
(#40247221)
Shoot, is anxiety an issue? Unless your business is running on complete autopilot, with fat margins, wouldn’t a sane entrepreneur who has to make payroll be a little anxious?
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_disorder
Now, I'm not an entrepreneur though.
On a regular basis, I am exposed to "Ask HN:" submissions featuring utterly stupid, petty or downright inhumane suggestions that almost seem like a joke. The comment sections are all littered with pre-banned comments from profiles that can't make a positive comment to save their life. People promote down-and-out businesses with insane bot-brigades and then switch to racism and bigotry when they don't get the attention they seek. Products crop up that make no sense, investors that have no self-preservation instinct invest in them, and then your Juicero/DogTV/RabbitR1 gets sold to the next most-eager shmuck that also intends to abuse their audience for money.
Entrepreneurship, as well as this website, I suspect are magnets for the mentally-struggling. Sometimes I really do have a moment of existential crisis, wondering how poorly I'll be remembered posting my comment below the guy that commoditizes Senior-Care-as-a-service in the year 2045.
I guess the suggestion here is entrepreneurs are much more likely to develop or amplify existing mental health issues (anxiety, impostor syndrome, depression, financial stress)
Personally, I think of an entrepreneur as a strictly business decision. Set specific goals that need to be met in order to determine future sustainability. If goals are not met. Then shelf the project and cut your losses.
The added stress of wearing multiple hats is acknowledged though. I’m not much of a marketing type person and getting that right is often half the battle.
Also, you are making the banal mistake of reading "entrepreneur" as a synonym of the big evil Fortune 500 CEO. A shoemaker, for example, is an entrepreneur, a niche that does not benefit from being a sociopath. But it does massively help for being the CEO of Nestlé or any other megacorporation.
The way the idea of pathology was taught to me when I took my introductory Psychology classes was framed more in relationship to the idea of healthy functioning. This meant being able to fulfill obligations like being able to work and take care of yourself but also recognizing conditions whose harm is more internally felt.
This definition presented to me doesn't entirely escape Foucault's view of your environment determining what is or isn't a pathology, but when it was taught to me it felt like a reflection of a less socially determined view of mental illness. Mental illness has gained a greater emphasis on helping to improve the personal mental state of the individual irrespective of social expectations. Maybe I am being more idealistic with this thinking.
It would interesting to hear from someone with more professional experience on this since I've only dabbled with a few college classes and books on the subject so my knowledge is quite limited.
The only thing that's changed is what we consider pathological.
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