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Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by jmward01 on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @09:41PM (#40231862)
When COVID hit one of the few positives was that a lot of people joined in cross-discipline research to address it. This type of treatment sounds amazing, and I know mRNA vaccines were in development for a long time before COVID, but I have to wonder if this research would have taken a lot longer to happen had COVID not happened. What other secondary impacts has the research into COVID had?
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by Terr_ on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @09:47PM (#40231908)
That reminds me of a piece about the "source code" of one of the mRNA vaccines [0], which had an amusing bit showcasing how one kind of pre-pandemic research was hugely important in preparing the necessary tools for when they were needed:

> It turns out that, unmodified, freestanding Spike proteins collapse into a different structure. If injected as a vaccine, this would indeed cause our bodies to develop immunity... but only against the collapsed spike protein.

> And the real SARS-CoV-2 shows up with the spiky Spike. The vaccine would not work very well in that case.

> So what to do? In 2017 it was described how putting a double Proline substitution in just the right place would make the SARS-CoV-1 and MERS S proteins take up their ‘pre-fusion’ configuration, even without being part of the whole virus. This works because Proline is a very rigid amino acid. It acts as a kind of splint, stabilising the protein in the state we need to show to the immune system.

> The people that discovered this should be walking around high-fiving themselves incessantly. Unbearable amounts of smugness should be emanating from them. And it would all be well deserved.

[0] https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source...

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by zer00eyz on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:15AM (#40233227)
MRNA's for aggressive cancers are going to do some amazing things. This is one example of "death sentence" cancer being stopped cold. To that end, the trade offs for MRNA's make complete sense. It's a great place to do long terms studies and see what happens down stream.

What covid did prove out is that there IS risk. https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/advice-...

Biologics (what vaccines are) are weird. The FDA should be stepping back from restricting the use of these on INFORMED patients who have limited other choices and mandating the long term study that we need for this class of treatments. IF were extending peoples lives and finding those secondary a tertiary risks in patents who would have otherwise died we will all benefit in the long run.

Between Pro and Anti vax camps it is dam near impossible to have a rational conversation about the topic. One more thing that has been polarized into the abyss... sigh!

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by soco on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:22AM (#40233899)
We had a nice discussion here, you had your arguments, got the few mistakes pointed out, all factual, civilized and nice. Nobody called you sheep, antiamerican, or puppet of the global government. So let's not bring the anti-vax "polarization" into this, because the two camps are simply not the same. Edit: I have yet to see such a rational discussion with an anti-vax. Won't say it cannot happen, but to me it's like bigfoot.
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by happens on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:32AM (#40233958)
If the were able to have that kind of discussion with you on the pros and cons of vaccines, would you still perceive them as antivax?
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by soco on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:50AM (#40234062)
Interesting point! Anti vaccines yes obviously, but I wouldn't call them "antivax" (anymore) as it seems I reserved in my mind that name for the wild mob - for better or for worse. Because there's no good thing without downsides and discussing downsides is just as important, regardless how one prioritizes them. We are all different organisms and what works for one won't necessarily work the same for the other, and we need solutions for all.
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by mewpmewp2 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @06:24AM (#40234566)
Thing is that people used to label you as anti vax during that time period even when you thought vaccines as a whole were a good thing, but in certain situations they did more damage and in other situations it was possible that risks vs benefits calculation wasn't clear.
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by jijijijij on Thursday May 02, 2024 @09:11AM (#40235807)
That's because the anti-vax people are sometimes an actual threat to other people's lives.

Especially during the pandemic every argument was had ad nauseam and a (similarity to) certain narrative wasn't perceived as coming from good faith anymore. People were tired of explaining the difference between DNA and RNA, between relative risks of the vaccines and infection, herd immunity, ... . At some point you never knew, if the person you are debating will go full conspiracy nut. Even genuinely skeptical people were often worried because of opportunistic clout chasers were spreading misinformation.

See the comment above where the AstraZeneca vaccine got conflated with mRNA vaccines. Bad start...

There were no vaccination mandates. However, "anti-vaxxers" were offended people decided to keep them out of their groups, shops, communities, ... by vaccination status. They want to have the cake and eat it too. Their idea of discrimination is overreaching and entitled.

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by Izkata on Thursday May 02, 2024 @09:21AM (#40235929)
> There were no vaccination mandates.

"Get the vaccine or lose your job" absolutely is a mandate. This really was a thing.

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by jijijijij on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:57AM (#40237056)
A private de facto "mandate", not a governmental one.

Well, yes, that's what I was getting at: Freedom cuts both ways here. If you choose to not get vaccinated, others should be allowed to, at the very least, choose not to have you around. Immunity is not a private belief, but has severe, sometimes existential implications for other people.

I assume, it's pretty much the same with guns in the US. You are allowed to own them, carry them, but not allowed to bring them everywhere, if someone's ruling within private jurisdiction forbids it.

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by Izkata on Thursday May 02, 2024 @11:19AM (#40237286)
> not a governmental one.

Only because it was struck down by courts. The US government did attempt it, and even told employers to abide by it while they appealed (before it was struck down again).

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by jijijijij on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:45PM (#40241705)
Can you link me a source?
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by Izkata on Thursday May 02, 2024 @08:12PM (#40242714)
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by jijijijij on Thursday May 02, 2024 @08:16PM (#40242737)
I didn't know that. Thanks. This does in fact invalidate my point above.
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by jijijijij on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:37AM (#40233669)
The AstraZeneca vaccine mentioned in your link is not mRNA based.
Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by defrost on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:40AM (#40233691)
> What covid did prove out is that there IS risk.

Not an mRNA vaccine and vaccine risk regardless of vaccine type was known and acknowledged for many decades before COVID.

Re:mRNA Cancer Vaccine Reprograms Immune System to Tackle Gl... by andreasmetsala on Thursday May 02, 2024 @07:30AM (#40234923)
> This type of treatment sounds amazing, and I know mRNA vaccines were in development for a long time before COVID, but I have to wonder if this research would have taken a lot longer to happen had COVID not happened.

At least BioNTech was able to take the billions they made from pivoting into COVID vaccines and use the money to speed up their cancer-related pipelines. Running clinical studies is expensive and difficult to do if you have to beg for money for an unproven platform.