Group behind Columbia University protests received millions

Re:Group behind Columbia University protests received millions by runarberg on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @02:41PM (#40227432)

The old trope I’m referring to is the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory[1], is a belief in a global conspiracy of Jews influencing the world order. Modern variation of this trope are right wing conspiracy theories such as Cultural Marxism[2] or the White Replacement Theory[3] (I know, right wing conspiracy theories are not super consistent in ideology).

What I thought you were referring to (and I may be wrong) was the conspiracy theory of the Jewish Lobby[4], or the more innocent—i.e. non-antisemitic variation (and not a conspiracy theory)—the Israel lobby.

While the Israel lobby exists (not to be confused with the Jewish lobby, which doesn’t; or at least not in a way which massively influences US policy), and is probably has some influence at the US government. And while Israel funded astro-turf campaigns also exist, and are probably paying (or otherwise influencing) agent provocateurs[5] at the student protests, to suggest that those are all linked and to hint this is the reason for US government policy, that is getting kind of close to the Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.

I certainly hope that I’m actually the one that is reading too much into this, and this is not actually what you meant. If so, then I apologize for making these accusations.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Masonic_conspiracy_theor...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th...

3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theo...

4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby

5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

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Re:Group behind Columbia University protests received millions by bell-cot on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @04:21PM (#40228845)

1-3: Compared to all the European, Christian, and Capitalist schemes to control the world order - exhaustively documented, widely bragged about, and with loads of (now controversial) monumental architecture built to celebrate its centuries of successes - I'm getting a "let's accuse the Inuits of secretly controlling the Chinese Communist Party" vibe.

4: Historically, what passably-educated or -prosperous group has not lobbied for its own (perceived) interests? How many of the nut jobs (who you're worried about) would start ranting about "Satanic conspiracy" if they learned that the American Dairy Association was lobbying the US Government for regulations to require more cheese on cheese pizza?

5: Please re-read my original comment with the Danger Music turned off. Your interpretation is not quite "I've donated seven pints of blood, and thereby taken control of all of America's blood supply", but it's still quite a stretch.

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Re:Group behind Columbia University protests received millions by runarberg on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @05:16PM (#40229548)

I don’t dispute the fact that there is a global conspiracy of capitalists who control the world, and that they are widely supported by politicians around the world with a common aim to suppress the working class. In fact I endorse this belief. However, I still belief that there are misguided grass roots movements around the world protesting against international solidarity (e.g. by advocating against immigration) which ultimately benefits the owning class, and maintains the global capitalist conspiracy. These protests—even though benefiting the global capitalist conspiracy—are perfectly capable of being misguided on their own, and don’t need any money from the owning class. People have agency, and can use that agency even to their own determent.

What I’m worried about here is that instead of blaming the US government for their own policy, you seem to be blaming a student movement (which I support BTW [full disclosure]) and a foreign agent (which I don’t support).

Even in a global capitalist conspiracy to oppress workers (which I believe exists) I still blame the US government to further the capitalist agenda, when the US government makes bad policy for workers. It is their policy, so they get the blame.

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