Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by thebigman433 on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @11:08AM
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In what metrics is Tesla ahead on self driving? Waymo has been operating (actual self driving) in SF for years without major incidents, and has been doing revenue service for nearly a year now. Tesla has shown nothing even remotely close to the level of self driving as Waymo, even in a controlled environment.
For actual self driving, Tesla is going to need a fully revamped sensor package on the car, as well as major updates to their core software. Id be shocked if they are operating revenue service within even a few years
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by robertlagrant on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @11:43AM
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I haven't seen Waymo videos for a few years, but can they do things on highways the way Teslas can? I've only seen a couple of around-town videos, so I don't know.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by recursivecaveat on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @02:19PM
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Apparently yes now: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/8/24029932/waymo-driverless-...
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by robertlagrant on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @03:10PM
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Interesting! I don't know loads about self driving cars, but my understanding was that Tesla's self driving has done a lot of freeway miles, and not just in a small simple area.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by root_axis on Thursday May 02, 2024 @01:37AM
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"Tesla miles" are also a misleading metric because they don't factor in all the times the driver has to take back control over the vehicle to ensure safe operation, it's just the sum of arbitrary stretches of self driving that don't represent true autonomous operation.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by robertlagrant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @08:27AM
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I agree it's not the same, but that's sort of my point. Tesla's gone for global usage, with automatic deactivation, whereas Waymo has done a very specific area of roads built in a similar style. It's broad vs deep, is what I mean.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by ra7 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @09:13AM
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> whereas Waymo has done a very specific area of roads built in a similar style
How are steep and hilly roads of San Francisco similar in style to flat, grid-like roads of Phoenix?
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by robertlagrant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @09:25AM
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Well, for example if you drive in Europe you'll see much narrower roads, way more pedestrians and crossings; all sorts of things.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by ra7 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @09:30AM
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Right, so what you really mean is urban vs highway driving. In self driving, urban driving is considered much more challenging precisely because of the characteristics you listed. That's why you see Waymo only now dipping into highway driving because the primary taxi market is all inside busy cities.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by robertlagrant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:06PM
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> Right, so what you really mean is urban vs highway driving
No, I don't mean that.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by ra7 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:13PM
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Then I’m afraid you’re unclear because the cities Waymo operates in all have different characteristics and don’t have “similar style of roads”. Driving in SF is very different from driving in Phoenix.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by greenthrow on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @07:45PM
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Mercedes and BMW are offering driver assistance you can buy today that is more advanced than Tesla on the freeway. Tesla is in no way a leader in automated driving.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by robertlagrant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:07PM
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Sorry - I don't see how either of those sentences is relevant.
Re:Tesla staff say firm's entire Supercharger team fired
by thebigman433 on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @11:36PM
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Waymo is currently doing a huge amount of testing on the freeway. But also, Waymo is fully autonomous in the entirety of San Francisco (and a few other cities). Its not just an assist program that you have to keep your eyes on, its a legit full self driving system, leagues above Tesla's.
FYI - because Chamath and Sacks haven't heard of Waymo operating robo taxis before (which is mind-blowing that they didn't know that considering a good portion of their job is an alternative take on the news) does not mean the rest of the world doesn't.
Tesla is indeed way ahead on self-driving.
In terms of Chinese EVs - that will certainly bring in a lot more competition but they aren't the same class of vehicles. It's like comparing fiat 500 and an audi a6.