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Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @10:48AM (#40211535)
To be clear, the 55 billion is a request to re-authorize his compensation for 2018-2022 that Delaware courts invalidated.
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by toast0 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @11:06AM (#40211804)
The shareholders that will be voting to reauthorize are not the same shareholders that voted to authorize it originally.

I'm not a direct shareholder, but if the Deleware court gives me an option not to pay $55 Billion that I thought was committed, I'd strongly consider.

What are the implications of not approving? On the plus side, the company keeps the compensation. On the minus side, Musk will be upset; and there's a trust issue for future compensation. On the neutral side, those receiving future compensation will endeavour to follow an approval process that is likely to stand up in court.

Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @11:10AM (#40211850)
I think the incentives are the same if the shareholders are the same or not. You covered the implications as I understand it.
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by tacticalturtle on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @04:25PM (#40215853)
Is it really a minus if Musk is upset? If he’s upset enough to leave, that seems like a potentially beneficial outcome.

There’s got to be some measurable number of people who are turned off from buying a Tesla because of his association, especially now that alternatives are available.

Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by EduardoBautista on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @05:28PM (#40216584)
Tesla’s current valuation is pretty much thanks to him. His personality meme stocked the company to a valuation that made no sense.
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by janalsncm on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @09:24PM (#40218508)
If I’m a shareholder, I don’t want an overly inflated stock price. I want a high stock price due to solid fundamentals. Tesla was temporarily extremely overvalued, but has since lost 60% of its market cap. It’s likely still overvalued compared with peers. It’s a car company, not a b2b SaaS company.

Put another way, which company is more likely to exist in 10 years: Microsoft or Tesla?

Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by mempko on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @02:35PM (#40227340)
Not sure why you are down-voted. If you are an investor, you want a fair price when you buy. Think of going to a store, when there is a sale and prices are below value of a product, it's smart to buy. Same goes with stocks.
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by s1artibartfast on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:52AM (#40233420)
If you are an investor, you want an unfairly low price when you buy, and an unfairly high price when you hold or sell.
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by mempko on Thursday May 02, 2024 @10:35AM (#40236786)
Exactly
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by ckastner on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @03:55AM (#40220642)
> Tesla’s current valuation is pretty much thanks to him.

And nobody has a larger interest in Tesla's valuation them Musk himself, the largest shareholder.

He can't walk and any threats to that effect are theatrics. Shareholders would be idiots to re-approve the $55bn.

Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by s1artibartfast on Wednesday May 01, 2024 @12:06PM (#40225212)
This assumes he cant sell and leave. It would be costly to him, but not impossible. Both sides have leverage in a situation of mutual assured destruction. I dont think it is accurate to only consider the leverage in one direction.
Re:Tesla conducting more layoffs, including entire Superchar... by toast0 on Tuesday April 30, 2024 @07:24PM (#40217687)
It might be the case that shareholders wouldn't like him when he's angry?