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Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by sp527 on Friday April 26, 2024 @08:56PM (#40176085)
Arguing that a random homeless drug addict with negative net social utility is entitled to housing on some of the most expensive land in the world is completely bonkers.
Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by sapphicsnail on Friday April 26, 2024 @09:28PM (#40176266)
All human life is valuable. Measuring people's worth through "social utility" is such a fucked way to look at the world.
Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by jlawson on Friday April 26, 2024 @09:54PM (#40176406)
And yet you do it every day when you decide who to associate with and invite into your life and home.

Why can't the community do the same thing you do personally?

Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by vineyardmike on Friday April 26, 2024 @11:40PM (#40176960)
Should we kick out our children from our home who misbehave? Or do we try to teach them, and help them and let them grow.

Many (most?) of the homeless you see around you are your community. They don't need to be invited into the city because it's their home too.

I live in SF and I know homeless people who have lived on the same street corner longer than some of my coworkers have lived in the city (or even the country). Many of the people who experience such misfortunes - even drug addicts who behave poorly - are long-time residents who once helped make the city the place it is. Sure their behave causes issues, and society needs to do something, but implying they don't have a claim to be helped in their own city is unfair.

Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by vasco on Saturday April 27, 2024 @02:36AM (#40177805)
> Should we kick out our children from our home who misbehave? Or do we try to teach them, and help them and let them grow.

The second one. Over and over again. And when they are adults and we've given them a few more chances, we should then cut our losses. Many families go through the heartbreak which is trying again and again and failing. I don't judge those families, and know a few of those personally. And this is people's blood relatives. Extrapolate from that what you will.

Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by jlawson on Saturday April 27, 2024 @11:19AM (#40180643)
If someone in my home is daily screaming at me, shitting on the floor, stealing things and threatening children - they're going. Roommate, relative, doesn't matter. They're out, or I am.

Someone's claim to live in a good community ends when they start actively destroying that community day after day. You get the community you work to build; you don't get to live in my wonderful community every day while you daily do horrifying things to ruin it.

This is the only way good communities can exist.

Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by Sabinus on Friday April 26, 2024 @10:02PM (#40176457)
They only have net negative social utility at the moment, they have the potential to be productive citizens.

Plus, productive citizens need to share a society with the drug addicted homeless. That society is going to be more peaceful if the needs of those homeless are met.

Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by zoklet-enjoyer on Friday April 26, 2024 @10:06PM (#40176471)
Some of those people were around before it became some of the most expensive land in the world. Why should people be pushed out of their communities?
Re:British Columbia to recriminalize use of drugs in public ... by heffer on Saturday April 27, 2024 @12:05AM (#40177121)
Because some people view privilege of any kind critically. Also, especially in North America, being some place first has not historically proven to be a sufficient claim.