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Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by Cody-99 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @02:29PM (#40161258)
>So, I would be beyond shocked if this was an election year issue of substance.

Because it isn't an election year issue. This has been in the works since at least 2022.https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/net-neutrality-will-make-...

The rule making process takes time!

>From my perspective, nothing about the internet changed since then (my experience did not upgrade or downgrade). People stopped talking about it, there weren't major protests, news about it even largely disappeared from the front page of HN (!). ... What, then, is the impetus for restoring the net neutrality rules, given there is always some political cost to any action like this? Has the lack of net neutrality caused issues that I just have not heard about?

IMO it seems likely ISPs knew the rules were likely to come back so they avoided most of the practices that would generate outrage (throttling streaming and other popular services unless you pay an additional fee). I have no doubt if they could get away with it they would haha. Many providers did roll out zero rating programs.

As for why this is important just because ISPs aren't currently doing it on a large scale doesn't mean steps shouldn't be taken to prohibit it. We already know what happens in the long run when ISPs are allowed to double dip https://restofworld.org/2024/south-korea-twitch-exit-problem...

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by pseudalopex on Thursday April 25, 2024 @02:46PM (#40161452)
> IMO it seems likely ISPs knew the rules were likely to come back so they avoided most of the practices that would generate outrage (throttling streaming and other popular services unless you pay an additional fee).

And several states passed their own laws.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by rixthefox on Thursday April 25, 2024 @03:00PM (#40161616)
... and then these same ISPs complained that there was no single "law of the land". We heard it would be an "unnecessary burden" for these ISPs to have to deal with Net Neutrality in a state-by-state basis.

As a group, they sure do love to complain. They voted to get rid of the national standard in the first place! Then when real solutions are being voted on they love to yell and screech about how it's "THE END OF THE INTERNET AS WE KNOW IT!!!" yeah... Bunch of whiners.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by OkayPhysicist on Thursday April 25, 2024 @03:39PM (#40162045)
> The rule making process takes time!

It really didn't have to in this case. It would have been perfectly acceptable to crib California's NN law, ctrl-r "California" "United States of America" and call it a day.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by throwup238 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @05:24PM (#40163224)
The FCC has a legally mandated process (see Administrative Procedure Act) including a public comment period that is open to judicial review. They can’t just copy California’s law and call it a day, they have to actually take public comments into consideration. If they don’t follow this process the courts will overturn the rules.
Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by dragonwriter on Thursday April 25, 2024 @05:28PM (#40163267)
No, literally, there is a legal requirement for certain process; debates over whether it was properly followed tied the Trump repeal up in court for a while though it was eveentually resolved in favor of the Administration.

Not even bothering to follow the clear objective formal requirements of that process (the question about Trump was more about good faith in the substance) would make it trivial to defeat in court.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by BolexNOLA on Thursday April 25, 2024 @06:56PM (#40164085)
They couldn’t seat the fifth person (democrat) because the GOP was blocking it. As soon as the person was seated, they moved forward with restoring net neutrality. Hands were tied until then because they couldn’t get the 3-2 vote. They didn’t have 5 until September 2023 so it’s been just over half a year
Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by pseudalopex on Thursday April 25, 2024 @10:51PM (#40165498)
Republicans and Manchin.
Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by BolexNOLA on Sunday April 28, 2024 @05:47PM (#40192299)
Good catch
Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by tivert on Thursday April 25, 2024 @03:11PM (#40161754)
> The rule making process takes time!

No, it doesn't take this much time. It's just that net neutrality wasn't a priority for the Biden administration, so they dragged their feet until the very last minute. IIRC, there's been a flurry of rule-making just now because they are running up against a Congressional Review Act deadline.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by pseudalopex on Thursday April 25, 2024 @03:38PM (#40162038)
> It's just that net neutrality wasn't a priority for the Biden administration, so they dragged their feet until the very last minute.

The FCC was deadlocked until September 2023 and started this process a few days later. Maybe they could have started in 2022 if Biden had nominated someone else after Republicans blocked his 1st choice. But Democrats believed Republicans would block anyone who would restore net neutrality.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by tivert on Thursday April 25, 2024 @04:24PM (#40162552)
> The FCC was deadlocked until September 2023 and started this process a few days later.

I am aware of that.

> Maybe they could have started in 2022 if Biden had nominated someone else after Republicans blocked his 1st choice. But Democrats believed Republicans would block anyone who would restore net neutrality.

And they were proven wrong, and didn't even try to test their theory until half his term was over. That counts as "not a priority" in my book.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by EasyMark on Thursday April 25, 2024 @09:24PM (#40164971)
I think you expect that government works "fast" and that is usually not the case unless it's a dire emergency. The wheels of government are just slow. Net Neutrality is important to codify/enact and that's what they've done, I'm certainly not going to complain about it. There are a lot of other nits I have to pick with Biden's policies but this isn't one of them, better late than never like it was going to be under a second Trump term, and could be again.
Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by fnordpiglet on Thursday April 25, 2024 @09:30PM (#40165009)
That’s not entirely what happened. The prior candidate didn’t withdraw until March 2023. Biden nominated Gomez in May 2023. Presumable the two months intervening included negotiations and background. That doesn’t sound like a priority issue.
Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by parineum on Thursday April 25, 2024 @08:52PM (#40164802)
> I have no doubt if they could get away with it they would haha. Many providers did roll out zero rating programs.

This isn't a hypothetical, this is the case now and it's not happened. The reason is because of public backlash which is a market effect.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by kelnos on Friday April 26, 2024 @01:10AM (#40166122)
It had nothing to do with market effects. Some states and even quite a few local governments made their own net neutrality laws once the Trump admin nixed it federally. Complying with NN laws in some places but not others would have been way too complicated, so they just let it be.

NN being saved by consumer backlash doesn't really make sense in the US, anyway, where many (most?) people only have one or two choices for internet service. ISPs don't really need to care if their customers don't like their policies.

Re:FCC Votes to Restore Net Neutrality Rules by parineum on Friday April 26, 2024 @05:13PM (#40174369)
> It had nothing to do with market effects. Some states and even quite a few local governments made their own net neutrality laws once the Trump admin nixed it federally. Complying with NN laws in some places but not others would have been way too complicated, so they just let it be.

If that's the case, which I doubt it is, it's not like it's expensive to charge some customers more money and not others, no need for FCC regulation then, right?