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Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by someuser2345 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @10:41AM (#40158153)
It seems to me that this practice is just another example of putting white people on a pedestal. If all other racial groups have "a shared sense of identity and community", then it implies that being white is the default; that the world is split into white and not-white.
Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by ThrowawayIP on Thursday April 25, 2024 @11:33AM (#40158773)
You should read the CJR link. The "shared sense of identity and community" is being descendants of the victims of the slave trade and not the color of their skin.
Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by someuser2345 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @11:49AM (#40158974)
That's a strange definition, because it excludes the majority of the world's dark skinned population. If only the descendants of slaves brought to the Americas can claim to be Black, then there are no Black people in Africa. Hell, even Barack Obama can't claim to be Black, since he is a child of immigrants, not slaves.
Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by s1artibartfast on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:21PM (#40160415)
Can you explain how that works for each other grouping that is capitalized, but is not also true for white people?
Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by stronglikedan on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:43PM (#40160700)
> descendants of the victims of the slave trade

The Irish were white.

Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by s1artibartfast on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:14PM (#40160289)
Independent of the stated rationale, I think the primary function is as an ideological test and signal:

Does one hold that all the diverse peoples of Africa can be considered with a shared group identity, which deserves acknowledgement and respect, and do you simultaneously hold that white people of Europe can be grouped together, but that grouping is undeserving of the same validity and respect.

If someone is willing to engage in this Act of cognitive dissonance, they can be considered part of the political in-group or at least sufficiently compliant to be trusted.

It is absolutely an example of the liberal racism that Powell is talking about and straight out of 1984.

Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by boplicity on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:39PM (#40175085)
>Does one hold that all the diverse peoples of Africa can be considered with a shared group identity, which deserves acknowledgement and respect, and do you simultaneously hold that white people of Europe can be grouped together, but that grouping is undeserving of the same validity and respect.

We have words for those people.

African. European.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here? It's confusing.

Maybe the problem here seems to be that "white" is implied to be the umbrella term for "European." It's not, nor do I believe very many people think it should be. We don't want to go back to the Pre-WW2 eugenics thinking. That pretty much tore the continent apart.

Re:"I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that... by dragonwriter on Friday April 26, 2024 @06:44PM (#40175137)
Shared Black identity across nationalities and ethnicities, and even moreso shared American Black identity as a product of active erasure of nationalities and ethnicities, are products of shared experience within the context of White supremacy.

So is shared White identity across nationalities and ethnicities. But identifying with the shared White experience of White supremacy has a substantially different character than identifying with the shared Black experience of White supremacy.