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Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by basil-rash on Thursday April 25, 2024 @05:05AM (#40155162)
I also went to a/the top CS school. When I graduated I would have never considered working at a defense company. Now, after bouncing around big tech and startups for a few years, I am a few days away from accepting a position at one. What changed? Appreciation for how entirely insignificant to downright harmful the rest of the industry is, perhaps. I made changes that impacted tens of millions of users in... no significant way whatsoever. Certainly not anything they'd remember on their deathbed. And what else is out there? Finding better algorithms to keep people hooked on their phones watching ads for longer, making more bullshit "AI" products to strip communication of all personality, and hundreds and hundreds of healthcare startups begging me to help them "cut out the middleman" in X healthcare system and replace them with... themselves! Idk. If I can make one anti-drone system take down one more suicide drone than it'd be able to without me, I'm 100% sure whoever would have been on the other end of that kamikaze will appreciate my efforts a hell of a lot more than the 2^25 people I fed a slightly different arrangement of pixels than they'd have gotten without me.
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by smallmancontrov on Thursday April 25, 2024 @08:26AM (#40156646)
That, and Poorly Targeted Revenge for 9/11 was not the most inspiring mission. Great Power Competition, however? I can get my blood pumping red, white, and blue for Great Power Competition.
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by anonymousDan on Thursday April 25, 2024 @07:09AM (#40155980)
That 'cut out the middleman' angle always makes me chuckle. I remember seeing an ad on the tube for Made.com offering to cut out the middleman in furniture purchasing - what are you if not a middleman I thought!
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by ethbr1 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @09:31AM (#40157333)
Cut out the middle and you're just dealing with The Man.
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by insane_dreamer on Thursday April 25, 2024 @08:44AM (#40156820)
I still think the defense industry is the greater evil (since nearly everything that starts out as "defense" ends up being used for "offense"), but I 100% agree with your argument against the modern tech industry.
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by potatoman22 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @11:25AM (#40158676)
The defense industry isn't just "defense" against bad people. Is it better to optimize the colors of buttons, or work on projects that could potentially kill innocent civilians?
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by psunavy03 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @12:30PM (#40159597)
Wars suck. But sometimes the result of not fighting a war sucks more. Sure, military projects could POTENTIALLY kill innocent civilians. But that's not a guarantee, modern Western militaries go out of their way to minimize that, and again sometimes the result of not fighting a war would cause even more innocent people to suffer or die.

The idea that "this one bad thing could happen, therefore I will do nothing that could remotely cause this one bad thing" is childish reasoning.

Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by nerdponx on Friday April 26, 2024 @12:33PM (#40171346)
There are plenty of things that people can and do in private industry that are significantly more harmful than making some incremental improvement in a weapons platform.
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by nyolfen on Thursday April 25, 2024 @12:37PM (#40159693)
"cars don't just transport you, they also kill people in wrecks sometimes"
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by bmitc on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:37PM (#40160627)
There are lots of things in the public sector that also kill people, unfortunately. While often less indirect or over time, companies simply trying to make a buck (be capitalist) have led to products, processes, trends, etc. that have killed a lot of people over time.

I think the conclusion is that there is very little justified technology development that actually betters society, except for things that actually save people from dying. Things like healthcare, utilities, civil engineering, defense, etc. However, almost all of those industries are mired in bureaucracy and are the ultimate examples of such.

Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by basil-rash on Thursday April 25, 2024 @02:03PM (#40160961)
The catch with all those things that "actually save people from dying" is that they happen to be the same things that "could potentially kill innocent civilians". Any pharmaceutical researcher, surgeon, civil engineer, utility worker, and yes – defense contractor, has the ability to kill innocent civilians. But they by and large continue to do their work on a belief that by doing X job to the best of their ability, they will have a positive impact on the world that will leave it in a better place than if either nobody did the job, or someone with less experience than themselves executed it poorly.

Regarding defense specifically, there is no shortage of ways for maniacal dictators to raze entire cities to the ground under the justification that "bad guys were in the tunnels". That is, in effect, a solved problem – many times over. Accordingly, that is not where the research money is being spent. Rather, the goal of most new "Defense" is to achieve those same mission goals (kill the bad guys) with as little civilian casualties as possible, or to protect our own assets against such attacks as well as possible.

Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by gantron on Thursday April 25, 2024 @06:51PM (#40164049)
I'd argue that working on the right projects reduces the likelihood of collateral damage.

Take for example the R9X [0]. Instead of an explosive warhead it has a set of blades on the tip. The US has used it to assassinate single people in the passenger seat of a car while leaving the driver untouched. I'd rather this than dropping bombs on terrorists that come with a blast radius that takes out everyone else nearby.

This seems net-good to me. There are certainly people alive today because of the R9X team's work.

Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by avar on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:52PM (#40160830)

    > I made changes that impacted
    > tens of millions of users in...
    > no significant way whatsoever.
    > Certainly not anything they'd
    > remember on their deathbed [...]
Going into defense to directly contribute to someone's deathbed experience is certainly one way to guarantee that you'll make it memorable.
Re:Air Force picks Anduril, General Atomics to develop unman... by basil-rash on Thursday April 25, 2024 @02:06PM (#40161005)