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Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by MichaelZuo on Monday April 22, 2024 @08:29AM (#40113716)
The second part of your post seems to contradict the first part, if it's not linked to the government ID how can anyone know if it's the bonafide original and unique persona? And not some duplicate?
Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by denton-scratch on Monday April 22, 2024 @09:07AM (#40113990)
> the bonafide original

If you take "the bonafide original" to mean the government-issued ID, then obviously only the government-issued ID is boner-fido. But there's no reason why that should be my only ID; I could, for example, generate my own keypair, and hire a notary public to attest that the holder of the keypair is (select any):

[] Good for ten-grand

[] Older than 18/21

[] The person shown in the accompanying (signed) photo

[] The author of xyz.blog

[] The same person as government-ID xxxxx

Only the last needs to be linked to a government ID, but all the others are authentic, bonafide attestations.

And such an ID would not be a duplicate of anything (not sure why you mentioned duplicates; passports, bus-passes and driving licences can all be duplicated).

Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by Evidlo on Monday April 22, 2024 @10:20AM (#40114653)
> then obviously only the government-issued ID is boner-fido

Never heard of it. Is it an extension of FIDO2?

Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by denton-scratch on Monday April 22, 2024 @10:30AM (#40114741)
It's a deliberate mis-pronunciation of "bona-fide" that I snagged from the comedian Dawn French.
Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by MichaelZuo on Monday April 22, 2024 @11:10AM (#40115157)
Let's say someone is 22, how can they credibly attest to being older than 18/21 without referring to some sort of government record?
Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by jjgreen on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:26PM (#40115875)
In 20 years, a 40 year old will need ID to buy cigarettes in the UK ("well you say you're 40, but maybe you're a mature 35 year-old").
Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by denton-scratch on Monday April 22, 2024 @11:23AM (#40115256)
Distinguishing a 21-year-old from a 22-year-old without resorting to government records is a challenge, I agree.

They could produce their parents, or any witness of their birth.

They could (if they were born wealthy) produce a hallmarked silver spoon engraved with their name. Not proof, but persuasive.

They could produce their 21-year-old younger sister, who has government ID (yeah, I know, that is a resort to government ID).

Best of all: they could produce a birth certificate, signed by a doctor (not itself government ID, just a prerequisite to getting a government ID).

Re:The dangers of "decentralized" ID systems by whodev on Tuesday April 23, 2024 @02:04PM (#40135054)
> They could produce their 21-year-old younger sister, who has government ID (yeah, I know, that is a resort to government ID).

1. How would you verify that's actually their relative and not a friend or stranger? 2. How do you verify that they are in fact the older sibling and not just saying they are?