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Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by xdennis on Friday April 19, 2024 @08:38PM (#40093429)
> For most people it is a very important part of ethics. Most people would consider it unethical to boil alive a being with a sense of self and the ability to feel pain

I disagree. I think that many people who attribute consciousness to animals do so insincerely in order to promote their political views. I say this because there's a huge overlap between vegans and pro-choice people. You can't say animals should be protected from people eating them, but it's perfectly fine to end human life.

(Not trying to derail the conversation with abortion. I actually agree with it, I just take the Bill Maher position: abortion is murder, but I'm mostly okay with that.)

Re:'Irresponsible' to ignore consciousness across animal wor... by Dylan16807 on Friday April 19, 2024 @08:53PM (#40093538)
So there's a lot I could say about fetal development, but I won't even bother, because this argument fails at a much simpler level:

Torture and death are very different things.