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Re:Women Who Code Closing by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday April 18, 2024 @08:32PM (#40082211)
> We don't have plumbing bootcamps.

If you are at all familiar with The Trades, you know that they have the apprenticeship system, which is a hell of a lot more intense than any bootcamp.

My plumber has a nicer house than I do.

Re:Women Who Code Closing by jandrewrogers on Thursday April 18, 2024 @09:17PM (#40082495)
There are several specialty domains in software development that would benefit immensely from a true multi-year apprenticeship program. That said, people tend to gravitate toward software that doesn’t require that level of commitment to make good money quickly. I don’t know that we actually know how to do apprenticeship in software, culturally.

It is why we have chronic shortages of expertise in some software domains even though they are extremely well paid as specialties.

Re:Women Who Code Closing by apsurd on Thursday April 18, 2024 @08:39PM (#40082256)
We're agreeing fwiw. Trades treated like trades are a value-add all around, but they take time, and they aren't necessarily sexy.

The teach people to code movement, for whatever reason, portrays itself as being something everyone can and should "break into" in 10 weeks.

edit: Just realized the conflation between "get hired as a software developer for six-figures" vs literally "make learning how to code accessible for all". The latter makes way more honest sense.

Re:Women Who Code Closing by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday April 18, 2024 @08:41PM (#40082283)
I wasn't disagreeing. It's sort of "apples and oranges."

I'm a big believer in the apprenticeship system, but I have found it to be profoundly unpopular, with software engineers (in the US), as can be noted by the reaction to my comment.

I consider my software engineering to be as much craft, as it is, vocation, and I had some good mentors.

Re:Women Who Code Closing by ergocoder on Thursday April 18, 2024 @08:40PM (#40082275)
Is that because they bought a house 10 years ago?
Re:Women Who Code Closing by ChrisMarshallNY on Thursday April 18, 2024 @08:42PM (#40082288)
I brought my house just before 9/11.

He has his own business. He's a one-man shop, and damn good.