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Re:Meta Llama 3 by eigenvalue on Thursday April 18, 2024 @04:17PM (#40080267)
Yes, I completely agree with every point you made. It’s going to be so satisfying when all the AI safety people realize that their attempts to cram this protectionist/alarmist control down our throats are all for nothing, because there is an even stronger model that is totally open weights, and you can never put the genie back in the bottle!
Re:Meta Llama 3 by aqfamnzc on Friday April 19, 2024 @12:04AM (#40083329)
Hopefully they aren't able to cram it down our legislators' throats... Seems that's what really matters
Re:Meta Llama 3 by ben_w on Friday April 19, 2024 @02:28AM (#40083959)
> you can never put the genie back in the bottle

That's specifically why OpenAI don't release weights, and why everyone who cares about safety talks about laws, and why Yud says the laws only matter if you're willing to enforce them internationally via air strikes.

> It’s going to be so satisfying

I won't be feeling Schadenfreude if a low budget group or individual takes an open weights model, does a white-box analysis to determine what it knows and to overcome any RLFH, in order to force it to work as an assistant helping walk them though the steps to make VX nerve agent.

Given how old VX is, it's fairly likely all the info is on the public internet already, but even just LLMs-as-a-better-search / knowledge synthesis from disparate sources, that makes a difference, especially for domain specific "common sense": You don't need to know what to ask for, you can ask a model to ask itself a better question first.

Re:Meta Llama 3 by zzzzzzzzzz10 on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:08AM (#40084691)
If some unhinged psycho want to build nerve agents and bombs I think it's laughable to believe an LLM will be the tool that makes a difference in enabling them to do so.

As you said the information is already out there - getting info on how to do this stuff is not the barrier you think it is.

Re:Meta Llama 3 by ben_w on Friday April 19, 2024 @05:20AM (#40084728)
> I think it's laughable to believe an LLM will be the tool that makes a difference

If you think it's "laughable", what do you think tools are for? Every tool makes some difference, that's why they get used.

The better models are already at the level of a (free) everything-intern, and it's very easy to use them for high-level control of robotics.

> getting info on how to do this stuff is not the barrier you think it is.

Knowing what question you need to ask in order to not kill oneself in the process, however, is.

Secondary school chemistry lessons taught me two distinct ways to make chlorine using only things found in a normal kitchen; but the were taught in the context "don't do X or Y, that makes chlorine", not "here's some PPE, let's get to work".

Re:Meta Llama 3 by abxytg on Friday April 19, 2024 @10:30AM (#40087280)
Uh oh -- we should ban this secondary school thing
Re:Meta Llama 3 by ben_w on Friday April 19, 2024 @02:44PM (#40090568)
Interesting thing I've heard about humans, very bad at noticing conjunctions such as "but".

Wonder if it's true?

Re:Meta Llama 3 by chasd00 on Friday April 19, 2024 @12:51PM (#40089089)
when all you want is to hurt then every tool looks like a weapon.