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Re:NPR suspends veteran editor as it grapples with his publi... by bawolff on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @08:14PM (#40058974)
> The Dartmouth conference has become an origin myth... Of course, the origin myth served to empower these men to tell their own story. And it's a story full of erasure... We hear nothing in that origin myth about the relationship that AI has to industrialization or to capitalism or to these colonial legacies of reserving reason for only certain kinds of people and certain kinds of thinking.

It would be nice if instead of harping on this point they actually told what they think the missing story is.

If they think that AI is missing certain kinds of thinking - by all means tell me what they are concretely. Like i don't know if i buy that lack of diversity in earlier AI research meant that the AI research only allowed certain kind of "thinking" (AI doesn't really match anybody's thinking regardless of race), but i would be interested in a well researched argument that it did and what those other kinds of thinking are.

I think the problem fundamentally is that these stories tend to be platitudes (lack of diversity = bad) but don't actually go deep into what that concretely means. Ultimately i want something that makes me think about the topic in new ways; you need to dig beyond the surface to do that.

Re:NPR suspends veteran editor as it grapples with his publi... by LamaOfRuin on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @09:11PM (#40059318)
>Ultimately i want something that makes me think about the topic in new ways; you need to dig beyond the surface to do that.

You, a person that already knows about this, will never get that from a short segment on a public radio show intended for a general audience that knows next to nothing about it.

It is intended to make that audience think about it differently, because they have not even bothered to think critically about this at a surface level.

The fact that these models (along with every structure in any society) embeds the biases of those that designed them seems to continue to elude so many commenters here though, so it seems they really need to keep hearing this too.

Re:NPR suspends veteran editor as it grapples with his publi... by jimbokun on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:06PM (#40059660)
It’s NPR, all their listeners think about these topics obsessively.

Also, the models embeds the biases of all the people who create content on the Internet. The designers biases come in to l look at with the prompt hacks put in place later to prevent the AI from expressing bad thoughts.

Re:NPR suspends veteran editor as it grapples with his publi... by LamaOfRuin on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @11:39AM (#40066222)
None of these data sets are based on "the Internet". They are a specific subset of the internet, and the training and reinforcements are in no way neutral (because that's not a thing).
Re:NPR suspends veteran editor as it grapples with his publi... by goatlover on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:44PM (#40059883)
They embed biases from the training data, which is taken from the internet at large. The models themselves aren't inherently biased. They're just trying to generate the next token or scene. And these models aren't from the 50s, or made by researchers in the 1950s. The models have guardrails added to try and prevent bias (and other deemed harmful content) being generated.
Re:NPR suspends veteran editor as it grapples with his publi... by LamaOfRuin on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @11:39AM (#40066224)
None of these data sets are based on "the Internet". They are a specific subset of the internet, and the training, reinforcements, and guardrails are in no way neutral (because that's not a thing).