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Re:This is a teenager by no-dr-onboard on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @05:20PM (#40057365)
> Teach conflict resolution skills to young children.

This is pretty huge. A lot of my experience growing up in California during the 90s was "tell an adult" and "zero tolerance" coming down from school administrators. This is useful at a very young age, but it neglects to equip the children with agency for when the adults aren't around. You can't tell an adult when you're on the school bus and conflict breaks out. You can't tell an adult when you're out on a soccer trip and people are getting rowdy in the locker room. The bystander effect is very strong in school aged children because we neglect to introduce them to their inherent agency in conflict.

There is also a degree of antifragility that parents could teach as well. Your emotions aren't reality. What people say about you isn't either. Again, these should come from parents.

Re:This is a teenager by tomp on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:24PM (#40058031)
What do you mean?

In the adult world, you'd just call the police.

In the child world, sometimes you tell the adults, but they don't do anything, and the abuse continues. That's at least my experience with bullying in primary school. "Conflict resolution" and such virtue-signalling buzzwords don't work against violent bullies.

Re:This is a teenager by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:08PM (#40058422)
Sometimes the only resolution for a conflict is murder. Even in non stand your ground states.

I do not think you understand conflict resolution and should probably study it a bit before speaking so authoritatively. The basic gist of it is to identify the root cause of contention and identify the best practical solution. Most people bad at managing conflict fail to correctly identify the cause and empathize with the opposing view. Keep in mind - you do not need to agree with a perspective to understand it and failure to understand the other party is a responsibility shared jointly regardless of righteousness.

Re:This is a teenager by tomp on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:13PM (#40058468)
How would you attempt “conflict resolution” with primary school bullies?

Sometimes the only resolution to violence is (threat of) superior violence. If you’re a child and a group of kids attacks you, that’s “adults resolving the situation”. Anything else is a failure of the schooling system.

Re:This is a teenager by dotnet00 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:33PM (#40058670)
It's telling that you seemingly only think of extreme cases when it comes to conflict resolution, and not all the mundane conflicts kids get into, eg arguing over who gets to play with a toy, arguing over who's whose friend etc, teasing that doesn't rise to the level of bullying, or kids interacting with/being watched by someone who is both meaningfully older than themselves and is also too young for the kid to acknwoledge them as having authority (eg an older cousin).

These are all things kids need to have the freedom to learn to resolve without a parent just jumping in all the time.

Such conflict resolution can come handy in adulthood for things like dealing with angry/complaining customers, miscommunications causing arguments, professional disagreements etc. I've seen so many people who are completely unable to do conflict resolution of any sort, everyone's always walking on eggshells around them knowing that any conflict is going to end up blowing up into full "Karen"-esque argument.

Re:This is a teenager by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:14PM (#40059699)
Easy and unethical? Give them a weaker target than me.

Find and exploit their weakness publicly thereby robbing them of their power.

Re:This is a teenager by mr_toad on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @08:27PM (#40059068)
> don't work against violent bullies.

De escalating is about dealing with angry people, especially people who aren’t usually violent.

Habitually violent bullies aren’t doing it out of anger, they’re using violence to provoke and manipulate.

Re:This is a teenager by germinalphrase on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:47PM (#40058250)
The role of law enforcement is rarely about direct intervention to stop criminal behavior (or in your example, violent bullying). They investigate and, potentially, punish criminal behavior that has happened in the past. They act as a deterrent to crime, but also to vigilante justice.

Conflict resolution provides the potential victim with agency to intervene in a situation on their own behalf. Of course, this doesn't preclude the option of calling the police. Why not expand someone's options for keeping safe?

Re:This is a teenager by richardlblair on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:06PM (#40058410)
"You'd just call the police"

This is funny because you'd be hard pressed to find someone from a low income neighborhood calling the police.

Re:This is a teenager by coldtea on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:16PM (#40058496)
Not to mention, easy to find some killed by the very police they themselves called.

Aderrien Murry, 11, called 911 for help at his home in Indianola, Miss., last weekend. But after police arrived, an officer shot him in the chest. The boy is recovering, but his family is asking for answers — and they want the officer involved to be fired.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/26/1178398395/mississippi-11-yea...

A Los Angeles county sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a 27-year-old woman who had called 911 to report that she was under attack by a former boyfriend, police officials and lawyers for the victim’s family said on Thursday. Records show the deputy had killed another person in similar circumstances three years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/los-angeles-...

And this is just 2 random cases from 2023

Re:This is a teenager by Aeolun on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @08:00PM (#40058871)
Yeah, stories like that would make you not want to call the police all right.
Re:This is a teenager by quacked on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @08:50PM (#40059209)
You clearly have no experience with what you're talking about.

In the low income neighborhoods near me, in which my sister lives (of her own free will, despite other options) due to chronic cognitive issues, the police are visiting constantly. People in low income neighborhoods call the police all the time. Surveys show that most low income people in dangerous neighborhoods are in favor of more, better policing, not less.

Re:This is a teenager by Zpalmtree on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @09:22PM (#40059387)
This is just false
Re:This is a teenager by RajT88 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:30PM (#40058645)
Adults largely do nothing, agree.

I recall trying once, it got to the principal level. Nothing happened. The kids got a talking to by the principal, but their parents did not care. Child bullies have parents who do not care what their kids do.

Fighting back works - against a single bully. If there is more than one, they will make the fight unfair. After all, it is about dominance and not proving yourself.

Bullies eventually usually grow out of it. That is the fix in my experience.

Re:This is a teenager by anotheruser13 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @09:27PM (#40059422)
Maybe in school. I was bullied by a supervisor at a previous job. Didn't want to get fired for insubordination.
Re:This is a teenager by int_19h on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @02:39AM (#40061206)
In my experience, they do not, they just become someone else's problem.

(Or everyone's, if they end up in top management.)

Re:This is a teenager by RajT88 on Thursday April 18, 2024 @05:50PM (#40081121)
Few bullies end up in management. This is relative to the pool of grade school bullies (which is a lot more than later in life).

The worst ones I recall from my childhood are mechanics and laborers and a few are web devs.

Re:This is a teenager by BehindBlueEyes on Friday April 19, 2024 @10:40AM (#40087416)
Maybe they end up in management in game development :p
Re:This is a teenager by makeitdouble on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:12PM (#40058467)
> In the adult world, you'd just call the police.

We deal with a lot more conflict than you're accounting for.

Someone can be shouting at a waiter at a restaurant and people around will try to deascalate and help or consolate the waiter.

Af short fight breaks ? People close enough to the participants will act, and bystanders might stay as witnesses to not make it a "he said she said" situation etc.

In general people aren't playing heroes but will do a ton of small and cumulative effort to make tensed situations not expand further into chaos.

Re:This is a teenager by hirsin on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:54PM (#40058313)
This is fairly literally how people watch a homeless guy get choked to death in the New-York subway. "Someone will call the cops eventually".

No, you can't be a bystander, even if it might be dangerous.

Re:This is a teenager by sabarn01 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:24PM (#40058590)
that was someone stepping in because the homeless person had been threatening. In general people won't help because the risk of helping is too high.
Re:This is a teenager by BehindBlueEyes on Friday April 19, 2024 @10:46AM (#40087500)
A friend of mine stepped in once and was prosecuted for injuring one of the attackers. Took 4 month of uncertainty before he ended up with a medal and an apology but he was this close to ending in prison for it instead.
Re:This is a teenager by jaysinn_420 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:42PM (#40058198)
Call the police? I don't need two problems.
Re:This is a teenager by coldtea on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:12PM (#40058463)
>In the adult world, you'd just call the police.

Good luck with that.