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Re:Phone conversations with law enforcement can be recorded ... by ang_cire on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @09:44AM (#40051767)
Most people competent with a gun can. The requirements for firearms practice (and especially draw-and-fire drills) for cops are pretty minimal across the board. Your average 3-gun or USPSA competitors (who admittedly train much more than a bench shooter probably does) likely spend 30x more hours per year training than a cop does.

Here's a per-state breakdown of police training requirements. https://www.apexofficer.com/police-training-requirements

Most of them require 20 hours or less PER YEAR, and that is not just firearms training, but total training across e.g. deescalation, driving, EMT, less-than-lethal force, crowd control, etc. Several of them specify that the firearms training is only 2 hours. Most hobby shooters can knock out 12 hours of dedicated firearms training in a month or 2 of weekend range days, so 6x what a cop might have to do in 12 months.

Outdrawing the cops isn't the issue, outnumbering them is. Unless you've also got 300+ buddies you can call for support, you're going to lose in the end.

Re:Phone conversations with law enforcement can be recorded ... by pixl97 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @01:04PM (#40054480)
><Outdrawing the cops isn't the issue, outnumbering them is.

The old saying when running from the cops goes

> "You can beat Mopar, but you can't beat Motorola"

Re:Phone conversations with law enforcement can be recorded ... by lazyasciiart on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @07:20PM (#40058551)
Here's a breakdown of the civilian training requirements:

--- end requirements. It's not exactly relevant that some people spend personal time shooting as a hobby, if you're not willing to admit that some of those people are cops.

Re:Phone conversations with law enforcement can be recorded ... by ang_cire on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:00PM (#40059981)
> a breakdown of the civilian training requirements

Which is why I specified:

> most people competent with a gun

Most civilians are not people competent with a gun.

It is very relevant that hobby shooters can easily far outpace police in their weapon competency with just a casual amount of shooting practice (hell, most ranges give you a 2-hour block of time, so even one range day a YEAR could put you even with some of these departments). Whether some cops are also hobby shooters is irrelevant to the complete lack of reasonable training requirements at a policy level before we turn cops loose on the streets with firearms.