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Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by YugyDugan on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:48AM (#40049030)
for 0.25-6 h per day

That's nice and all, but 15 minutes is a much lesser achievement than the headline implies.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by elcritch on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:58AM (#40049084)
Same thought. It’s a bit of a bait and switch as the title implied to me a major milestone. But it’s not and the real milestone of renewables providing power continuously day and night remains.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by fragmede on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:04AM (#40049115)
running solar at night would be a real achievement!
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by Someone on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:22AM (#40049213)
I think it’s still research stage and it’s debatable whether to call this ‘solar’, but https://www.ucdavis.edu/curiosity/news/anti-solar-cells-phot...:

“a specially designed photovoltaic cell could generate up to 50 watts of power per square meter under ideal conditions at night, about a quarter of what a conventional solar panel can generate in daytime”

The idea is to capture the energy that escapes into space when solar panels cool down during the night.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by fragmede on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @08:20AM (#40051063)
If you want to debate names, I like "fusion collectors" instead of solar.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ggm on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:29AM (#40049613)
Surplus solar and wind can charge batteries. Would this not count as time shifted solar?
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by elcritch on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:08AM (#40049135)
Haha indeed. I edited my comment to be a bit more clear. Though I think solar furnaces do work at night.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by renewiltord on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:12AM (#40049160)
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by Qwertious on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:16AM (#40049551)
So batteries are too expensive, but space launches aren't? Even assuming the light can be sufficiently focused to bypass the inverse-square law, it'll still need precision manufacturing to actually deliver the power to the panels reliably. And that's assuming mirrors are enough, and you don't need space-side solar panels and microwave/laser beams (which will be even more expensive than hundred-mile-focus mirrors).
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by usrusr on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:33AM (#40049289)
Push am (ever so slightly) larger fraction of the sun's energy output into our atmosphere, what could possibly go wrong!

I know, the amount of net electricity per added total energy might end up no worse than in a fusion power best case scenario, but still... When you add the climate effect of re rocket launches required I don't think it could ever become worthwhile.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by ViewTrick1002 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:10AM (#40049145)
Agreed. But every step is worth celebrating.

Next is 12 hours, after that a day and then finally months and years.

Incredible progress is being made.

Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by huytersd on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:32AM (#40049284)
The step is commendable but the headline makes it seem like they used renewables for all 24 hours of the day for 30 days.
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by usrusr on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @03:23AM (#40049223)
So they could build a battery big enough to serve 15 minutes of the nighttime trough and declare mission accomplished with only enough solar to fill the battery on a rainy winter solstice day? Some goalposts just beg for getting moved. (I assume that this is unrelated to the 2045 goal, so it's not really bad, just bad headlining)
Re:California exceeds 100% of energy demand with renewables ... by sethammons on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:31AM (#40049627)
"60% of the time, it works every time" --Anchorman

Well, here it would be: between 2% and 25% of the time, it works every time