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Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by dheera on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:25PM (#40045151)
Sad. I wish we could restore and modernize train service all over California. The graded space for the rails already exists, and that is arguably the hardest part of building a railway.
Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by O_nlogn on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:35PM (#40045244)
I agree completely. I am baffled by the support that this and other "rails to trails" initiatives get around the world. At a time when we are trying to decarbonize, we should be investing in modernizing and upgrading the existing railway infrastructure, not scrapping it for recreation. This is a vanity project. California has enough hiking trails. It has too many cars and not enough public transport.

A similar project is underway in Ireland [0], where they decommissioned a large number of former passenger lines in the 1970s, and are now spending millions of euros converting them to "greenways". To give one example, the Youghal to Midleton "greenway" replaced a former commuter rail line connecting commuter towns to Cork City. Every day, thousands of people drive between those towns, resulting in traffic jams and unnecessary CO2 emissions. Re-opening the train line would be a no brainer, they have more commuters today than ever before. Instead, residents now have the option of cycling or walking along a desolate trail through a bog.

[0] https://www.corkcoco.ie/en/resident/greenways/midleton-to-yo...

Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by gretch on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:45PM (#40045338)
Article states: "a railroad was constructed to shuttle passengers and redwood logs between San Francisco and Humboldt Bay."

So a key question is: are there a lot of people trying to move between SF and Humboldt Bay? Does the carbon from transportation along this line warrant the renovation of the rail line (which itself produces emissions)? And if you build a train and no one rides that train, then that's probably even worse for emissions.

> California has enough hiking trails

This is pretty subjective. You can probably get rid of several of America's national parks and say "yeah we have enough national parks".

Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by hedora on Monday April 15, 2024 @07:48PM (#40046942)
The article says they are hoping to promote tourism in the area. Why not use the 300 mile corridor for passenger rail, and construct hiking trails from the stops?

Also, realistically, how many people are going to actually travel the 300 mile trail on foot/bike?

Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by recursive on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:29PM (#40045181)
I like rail service, but I also like hiking trails. And there's a lot less to go wrong with the hiking trail. I'm not really keeping track, but I would generally assume any passenger rail project announced in CA will never be finished.
Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by the_snooze on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:59PM (#40045505)
>The graded space for the rails already exists, and that is arguably the hardest part of building a railway.

Connstruction is easy. It's the multi-stakeholder approval process that's fiendishly difficult. You still have to go through that even if the graded space is already in place. Lots of stakeholders trying to get what's theirs, whether rent-seeking or stopping the work altogether. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-...

Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by Suppafly on Monday April 15, 2024 @05:52PM (#40046099)
Usually rails-to-trails conversions happen in places where running a railway no longer makes sense. If it made economic sense for a railway to be there, the owners wouldn't be selling or donating it back to state for a conversion.
Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by lightedman on Monday April 15, 2024 @04:44PM (#40045332)
"The graded space for the rails already exists, and that is arguably the hardest part of building a railway."

It's way easier to build this sort of thing new than it is to refurbish it and certify it as safe. Less costly, too.

Re:An old rail track in Northern California could become a 3... by dheera on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @06:44PM (#40058226)
I disagree. Would you rather dig up trees, rocks, and mountains, and grade it, or dig up existing rail?

You're going to lay down new rail either way, and that's what you'll have to certify as safe, so it's not really any different. I'm just saying there's less crap you have to dig up if your starting point is an already-cleared 300 mile stretch rather than 300 miles of raw nature.