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Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by vel0city on Sunday April 14, 2024 @01:33PM (#40032763)
I don't see how any of this can't be explained by just hallucinations.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by marvinborner on Sunday April 14, 2024 @02:55PM (#40033416)
You're right. I still think it's interesting to discuss the possibility of a leaked state, especially since hallucinations with spelling errors are very rare - even more so if the prompt didn't have any.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by vel0city on Sunday April 14, 2024 @04:53PM (#40034385)
LLMs can't spell. If there's a lot of that spelling error in its training, it'll repeat the misspelling.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by karlgkk on Sunday April 14, 2024 @01:55PM (#40032942)
That is a horrifying answer, if you think about it. To suggest "it's not getting confused, it's just lying" without being able to determine why?
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by jrm4 on Sunday April 14, 2024 @02:13PM (#40033109)
Not at all, the problem is the word "hallucinations" which I kind of people wish would stop using.

They're not doing anything AT ALL different when they "tell the truth" or "lie" or "get it right" or "get it wrong."

They are remixing groups of word chunks based on scanning older groups of word chunks. That's ALL. Most any other description is going to be overreaching anthromorphization.

Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by iamkoch on Sunday April 14, 2024 @01:59PM (#40032972)
LLMs cannot lie insofar as they cannot tell the truth. They're remarkably good at predicting what token comes next given a bunch of tokens, but nothing else.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by meltyness on Sunday April 14, 2024 @03:51PM (#40033864)
Yes, but it's also generative, so at each time step it will be basing those predictions off of its own recent behavior so it's also chaotically, unpredictably performant in the quality of its predictions, but nothing else.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by aendruk on Sunday April 14, 2024 @02:18PM (#40033148)
The only thing horrifying about this situation is the extent to which people are apparently taking these software outputs seriously. Or perhaps the extent to which others are selling the illusion for personal gain.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by esrauch on Sunday April 14, 2024 @02:07PM (#40033043)
What's the difference between "getting confused" and "lying" in a predictive model?

Normally lying means conveying a falsehood that you know is a falsehood with the intent to deceive. Both the 'know it's a falsehood' and the 'intent to deceive' are important criteria when asking whether a human was lying or not, and an LLM seems like it cant satisfy those and so can't 'lie'.

Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by jrm4 on Sunday April 14, 2024 @02:14PM (#40033119)
Absolutely none whatsoever and to consider otherwise is to really fundamentally misunderstand the whole thing by overly "humanizing" them.
Re:Bing Copilot seemingly leaks state between user sessions by jsnell on Sunday April 14, 2024 @03:04PM (#40033495)
I don't know where you're getting "confused" from. This isn't about some subtle semantic distinction between a machine being confused vs lying.

The original submission is claiming that user data is leaking between sessions. That would be a huge privacy and security problem.l, if true.

And in contrast to that, a LLM doing pretty much what it's supposed to be doing is both more likely and, well, not a problem at all.

Nothing in the submitted link suggests the former. It is a bunch of people crying wolf with no compelling evidence.