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Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by multimoon on Friday April 12, 2024 @04:50PM (#40017505)
Fantastic. As an American citizen this is exactly what I voted for and wanted. (/s) Awesome that it’s bipartisan too
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by barbazoo on Friday April 12, 2024 @04:54PM (#40017542)
Is this as wild as it seems? It sounds like a free for all in terms of getting communications data from all US residents. I hope it's clear what "between Americans and foreigners overseas" means and that it doesn't include simply messages going through a foreign server at some point or something like that.
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by noman-land on Friday April 12, 2024 @04:56PM (#40017561)
It means any outbound request that is destined for a non-US IP address.
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by yazzku on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:15PM (#40017743)
That is exactly what this is about. And no, the distinction isn't clear/made.
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by spicykraken on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:13PM (#40017723)
How did we get here? I don't know any sane citizen that would want this.
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by zdragnar on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:21PM (#40017798)
This version is substantially better than the previous versions that didn't pass.

I consider dropping the warrant requirement from the last attempt as not much of a loss, since the previous FISA applications were being rubber-stamped anyway.

Forcing another vote in two years is better than the original 8, and better than the failed compromise of 5 in my book. Not as good as it should have been (not reauthorizing at all), better than it could have been.

Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by vundercind on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:27PM (#40017867)
1) A bad system of elections that tends to result in only two viable parties that substantially differ in policy positions from their own voters. Our system of elections drives that outcome.

2) Cowardice. Being personally punished (say, by losing an election) for problems caused by too much spying or too much military spending or too much surveillance is vanishingly unlikely. Being punished because something bad happens and maybe that thing you voted against would have prevented it? That’s possible.

3) Probably blackmail campaigns by various law enforcement and spy agencies, aimed at politicians. I very much doubt that sort of thing stopped after Hoover was gone, or that the FBI was the only agency to engage in it. I guess the “how we got here” for this part is failing to aggressively dismantle the whole tainted edifice and start from scratch back when that was feasible, and failure to keep those agencies on an extremely tight leash.

Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by lapcat on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:57PM (#40018109)
> Being punished because something bad happens and maybe that thing you voted against would have prevented it? That’s possible.

Do you have any examples of this? Nobody was politically punished for allowing 9/11 to happen. There are countless examples of bad things happening for which nobody was politically punished. As far as I see, there's an almost complete lack of consequences in politics.

Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by NegativeLatency on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:39PM (#40017963)
4) The amount of money and corruption in politics means that the people who are better at sucking up to donors end up winning. These people are also not really interested in governing, but are interested in accumulating wealth and power.
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by heavyset_go on Friday April 12, 2024 @05:53PM (#40018074)
Are you sure about that? There's a large amount of people who don't give a shit about privacy because they've "got nothing to hide" and are convinced that surveillance should, and does, only happen to those people who deserve it.
Re:House Votes to Extend–and Expand–A Major US Spy Program by deciplex on Friday April 12, 2024 @04:59PM (#40017581)
Our institutions of government are so far removed from democratic control at this point that the content of this bill hardly even matters in the first place: they'll just break the "law" with impunity anyway, if Congress can't deliver what they want.