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Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by mrtksn on Thursday April 11, 2024 @05:05AM (#40000030)
It's not like they have another option, have they? It's an interesting challenge to transform an uninhabitable piece of earth into something where people might want to live.

Also, AFAIK they are very aware that oil money isn't going to keep pouring forever and they indeed are trying to diversify. Their elites all study in UK, France, Switzerland and the USA and the questionable stuff they do is actually about the local culture they are trying to transform.

Their prince who is celebrated for pushing social and cultural reforms is the same guy who ordered the killing of a journalist in their Istanbul embassy. So, it is what it is.

BTW, IMHO they should look into what Jewish did in Israel with the Kibbutz. I'm a great fan of the idea and the Jewish culture that made it possible and it appears to work. Maybe instead of building giant skyscrapers and shopping malls, take a note from the Israeli or even work with them instead of pouring tour money into "Las Vegas". Skip the illegal settlements and genocide of the locals of course, but the Israeli have already proven methods of building high quality high prosperity communities on barely habitable lands. So, the Arabs should take a note. Maybe they don't have other option than trying to transform the environment using their fortune but they have options on how to do it exactly.

Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by pdimitar on Thursday April 11, 2024 @05:12AM (#40000077)
> It's not like they have another option, have they?

You always have another option than to treat people like cattle though.

> the questionable stuff they do is actually about the local culture they are trying to transform.

Is it though? Or their Western education has helped put things in perspective, they understood how good they have it and they want to double down on it and make very sure they'll never lose it?

> Their prince who is celebrated for pushing social and cultural reforms is the same guy who ordered the killing of a journalist in their Istanbul embassy. So, it is what it is.

We can also choose not to engage in business with them but money talks, apparently.

Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by tweakimp on Thursday April 11, 2024 @05:17AM (#40000119)
Sure, they could put money in education, research climate change and photovoltaic or other technologies and try to improve quality of life with sustainable stuff.

But to the people in power, only symbols and power are important.

Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by zaphirplane on Thursday April 11, 2024 @07:29AM (#40001011)
> But to the people in power, only symbols and power are important.

A general statement that is universal across time and geography. Nothing special about the gulf

Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by mrtksn on Thursday April 11, 2024 @05:21AM (#40000149)
I think they do all that. They have plenty of universities, also their other oil rich neighbours are pouring money into British and American educational institutions to open campuses there. IIRC some Ivy league universities from the Western world have campuses in the region.
Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by throw_pm23 on Thursday April 11, 2024 @05:29AM (#40000215)
That's true but neither the students nor the instructors at those institutes are local.
Re:End of the Line? Saudi Arabia to scale back plans for des... by selimthegrim on Thursday April 11, 2024 @06:29AM (#40000617)
I can think of one exception, a pretty famous Emirati physicist who has made a big name for himself