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Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by avar on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:49PM (#39984082)
It's really not analogous to seatbelts.

It's really simple to use a table saw safely: don't ever get physically close enough (by far!) for the spinning blade to cut you, or stand where it can fling something at you.

Then even if there's no riving knife and blade guard it's not going to ruin your day.

This means that you'll sometimes need to build a small jig to push wood into the saw, but usually you can just use a long stick to push the wood into it.

Every single table saw accident video you'll see is people who've clearly become way too complacent with them, or are trying to save themselves a few minutes of setup time.

Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by SkyPuncher on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:43PM (#39984604)
While I agree with your premise, mistakes still happen.

I do all of the things you mentioned, plus I use pushers or a crosscut sled whenever possible. It should be impossible for me to make contact, but it only takes a split second of stupidity or inattention to mess up

Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by the__alchemist on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:50PM (#39984102)
They're holding it wrong?
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by ToucanLoucan on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:53PM (#39984123)
It's simple to use a car safely too. Don't ever speed, be aware of your surroundings at all times, and practice defensive driving.

In theory.

As someone who has used a table saw, you simply cannot account for every variable factored in to having a 10" piece of sharpened carbide steel spinning at 5,000 RPMs and shoving a piece of probably inconsistently structured building materials through it, many, many, many times to accomplish a job. Maybe the sawmill left a nail in there for you: shit happens.

In the immortal words of Jean Luc Picard: It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That's why we build things with safety features: to manage those risks.

Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by avar on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:00PM (#39984196)
No it's not. Even if you're the best defensive driver in the world a seatbelt might still save you if someone plows into you while you're stopped at a red light.
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by cm2187 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:10PM (#39984284)
But again, it's your life, your body, your choice.
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by avar on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:17PM (#39984351)
You can make an argument against seatbelts on that basis, but it's not the one I'm making here.

I think seatbelts should be mandatory, but don't think it's sensible to mandate complex and expensive technical solutions for table saws, when safe work practices can also mitigate them entirely.

Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by ToucanLoucan on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:47PM (#39984636)
Safe work practices require humans to follow through on using them. Safety features don't.
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by badgersnake on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:24PM (#39984441)
Not if you’re sat in the back and in a crash fly forward and kill the person in front of you.
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by sokoloff on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @08:12PM (#39985644)
In a private car, do I really need a law to cover that case? On public transport (a place where such mandates generally do not exist), I could see the argument because it’s standardizing behavior amongst strangers.

But in my own car, I have no problem telling people to buckle up or GTFO (or not, by my own choice). If I allow them to ride unbuckled, I’m voluntarily taking the risk one will try to go through the windshield via my noggin.

Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by badgersnake on Wednesday April 10, 2024 @02:09AM (#39987448)
A good proportion of people will take the chance rather than get into a long debate with a libertarian bore.
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by ToucanLoucan on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:48PM (#39984650)
Libertarians often have this problem where their ideas that work just fine in a perfectly friction-less plane with zero deviance have issues when encountering reality. The instances are too numerous to name.
Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by sham1 on Wednesday April 10, 2024 @10:00AM (#39990842)
Libertarianism, like any other such utopic ideology, has this problem. The ideology requires disregarding reality and assuming the frictionless plane, because otherwise it just wouldn't work properly.

When ideals and reality go against each other, reality has a nasty habit of winning. And honestly, if seatbelts and table saws that don't cut your fingers off are such an authoritarian affront to one's freedom and personal responsibility, then so be it.

Civil disobedience is always an option to those who absolutely hate this idea, but then they should take their "personal responsibility" and "bodily autonomy" and not be shocked if they have to face the consequences.

Re:After years of trying, the U.S. government may mandate sa... by xkcd-sucks on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @08:49PM (#39985851)
Just accept it, smile, nod, and deny the existence of the router, lathe, bandsaw, angle grinder with a circular blade on it etc. Chainsaws are probably next up against the wall though since they're pretty well represented in low-effort horror media