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Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by somenameforme on Monday April 08, 2024 @10:31AM (#39970131)
I think this is all 100% true. But I would add that what looks good is, for many sports, also what does get you the best results. Most of all combat athletes in sports with weight limits do look like fitness influencers, because they're incentivized to pack as much muscle and cardio into as small a mass as possible. Of course there are plenty of exceptions, but they are exceptions.

The same also seems true in football/soccer for reasons that I don't quite understand. It wasn't ever really my sport, and I don't get why those guys are so shredded everywhere. I'd expect to see more 'runner builds' than there seem to be. I guess the necessity for short bursts of intense strength/speed, and rolling 40 feet on the ground after somebody grazes you, changes the optimal body comp.

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by jdietrich on Monday April 08, 2024 @11:07AM (#39970527)
>The same also seems true in football/soccer for reasons that I don't quite understand.

Soccer players are constantly making maximum-effort sprints with very limited recovery, and they have to contort themselves into weird positions to weave around their opponents and get or keep the ball. They need leanness and power for pure acceleration, but they also need balanced muscularity to protect them against injury. They're part sprinter, part distance runner and part gymnast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlrAN8tkF2s

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by ido on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:31AM (#39977297)
are soccer players really that shredded? I remember Maradona looking pretty chubby when he was still considered the world's prime soccer player.
Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by masklinn on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:35AM (#39977332)
Maradona was at his prime in the 80s, that was a very different time for sports in general, and very much football in particular. You can look at team pictures from back then and now and bodies have been way refined.

An other component is that natural talent and skill can compensate for a lot of hard work. Not all, but a lot.

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by masklinn on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:31AM (#39977304)
There’s also a measure of, well combat is not the right word but a mix of toughness and finesse in order to trap and control the ball, and not fall over when you eat a penalty shot.
Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by red-iron-pine on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @01:20PM (#39981701)
robustness, perhaps?
Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by JohnBooty on Monday April 08, 2024 @11:03AM (#39970489)

    The same also seems true in football/soccer for 
    reasons that I don't quite understand. It wasn't 
    ever really my sport, and I don't get why those guys 
    are so shredded everywhere.
They're not just running in straight lines. They're making all kinds of lateral cuts and contorting their body in various ways as they jockey for position with other players for contested balls, on set pieces, etc. Those things rely heavily on core abdominal strength. They also use their arms quite a bit, which is why they are not just withered vestigal appendages.
Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by djtango on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @04:59AM (#39977523)
Good answers already one thing to add is that a runner build wouldn't prepare you for kicking power. Technique goes a long way but at the top level every tiny difference adds up and so not only are footballers doing a tonne of sprints, jumping for headers etc but they also need to generate power for shooting which benefits from mass.

In more physical leagues like the EPL having some mass is also beneficial (unless you are Messi)

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by alephnerd on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:09AM (#39977585)
> runner build wouldn't prepare you for kicking power

Visit Lumpinee sometime ;).

You'll be very surprised by the body types of winning fighters. Most of the Thai fighters have a runner bod, because of early childhood nutrition issues (most fighters come from Isaan, the poorest region of TH and started fighting as a way to make money in the very large illicit gambling scene)

And the best fighters I've trained with are all avid runners. At Woodenman, the fight team would always run 6-7 miles every morning before multiple training sessions.

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by djtango on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @01:19PM (#39981682)
Ha I train with Lumpinee winners! Point taken they do hit plenty hard and traditionally were pretty scrawny. I would argue though that their power is attained in spite of their weight and strength disadvantage. Panpayak comes to mind as a current scrawny yet powerful kicker.

Nong O told a friend he was frustrated that he only got access to modern training habits and nutrition so late into his career - he spent most his training just doing press ups for S&C

Compare that with fighters like Superbon who now do all kinds of explosive training.

The Saenchai kick off with Wonderboy was interesting - Saenchai's kick was beautiful there was almost no telegraph and it didn't look like he gave it his all but he was "only" kicking at about 47k whereas Wonderboy was maxed around 93k and Sensei Seth hit over 100k.

And that belies the physics of power - that its both technique and mass. I doubt Wonderboy or Seth's technique can hold a candle to Saenchai's.

Put it this way - would you rather eat a leg kick from Saenchai or Rico Verhoeven? Would you rather get punched by Naoya Inoue or Anthony Joshua?

Anyway comparing physiques - look at 100m sprinters vs 10k sprinters.

Justin Gatlin and Usain Bolt vs Mo Farah. That fast twitch explosive muscle tends to be bulkier... And footballers def run more like a sprinter than a long distance runner

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by alephnerd on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:07AM (#39977572)
> do look like fitness influencers

In my experience training in BJJ, Muay Thai, and Judo, the ones at the tippy top look very fit and healthy, but aren't packed muscles of Adonis or washboard abs.

And these are people who have significant win records at Lumpinee, IBJJF, Olympics, etc. Even the fighters at the qualifier UFCs matches (the ones that start 5-6 hours before the main fight) tend to look more "normal".

Though, then again, I guess it depends what your definition of "fitness influencer aesthetic" is - is it someone who concentrates on washboard abs and aesthetics or someone who's conventionally attractive but also competitive in some sport.

That said, towards the very top of the UFC and OneFC pole, some amount of aesthetic training is included due to the whole marketing "schtick".

Also, according to some of my friends and trainers who have competed in UFC, OneFC, etc - there is a bit of an issue around PEDs towards the higher end of the spectrum that has a become a bit of a problem. The USADA and the UFC's new doping agency has become very lax on testing the past few years. McGregor wasn't the only fighter who has had issues surrounding doping - he's just more prominent and inculcating a "bad boy" image.

Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by Ekaros on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:37AM (#39977729)
Distances run in football are pretty short. Field is at most 120x90m. So there is lot of running during game, but distances at single time are not that long. Sprinters also look rather jagged.
Re:Why Top Athletes Don't Look Like Fitness Influencers (Usu... by druskacik on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @06:24AM (#39977958)
Being shredded is definitely not a rule among the top football players. Case in point, Harry Kane:

https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/9orbvv/kanes_dad_bod_...