I'm unconvinced and be hard pressed to be.

> your fate is the same as if you had never been asked.

This is absolutely not true and is literally the entire reason people go to great lengths to do it. Not understanding this is probably why you're not understanding the rest. I'm not sure how you don't get it because if you're gay you're not going to military service and you're not going to jail. If you're not gay (or not faking) your choice is military service or jail. That's not "the same" no matter how you put it.

The leaders do bad things whether or not a few gay people join or get exemptions. Why are you not convinced of that?

> This is absolutely not true and is literally the entire reason people go to great lengths to do it.

I said if you don't take the gay option, your fate is the same as if you had never been asked. You do military service or go to jail, like everyone else.

You're talking about taking it. Of course it's different if you take it.

I'm convinced of this. But this is not what you said.

In fact, that's kinda the theme of this conversation and the one you're having with others

I thought it was reasonably clear I was talking about how this gay exemption plays out, not the entire world of possibilities.

And for the line that says "your fate is the same", I made that very direct and explicit and you somehow skipped half of the sentence to interpret it in an entirely different way. That one is definitely not my fault.