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Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by forrestthewoods on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:16PM (#39955646)
Isn’t that kind of how it works? Safety is a “no broken windows” problem. People who commit crimes need to be caught and punished at a very high rate. This basically requires surveillance, no?

Surveillance doesn’t guarantee safety. But what is the counter proposal on how to turn a large, unsafe location into a safe one?

I expect downvotes for this. But seriously. What do you propose? Is surveillance not exactly how countries like the UK and Singapore provide safety? Can anyone cite an example of a “safety turnaround” not based on surveillance?

Believe you me I wish that weren’t the case! Someone show me the alternative, please!

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by warkdarrior on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:22PM (#39955701)
The problem with the current approach is that it collects data and monitors the movement of everyone present, include innocent people. The data is centrally gathered and used for privacy violating purposes.

A better option would be to decentralize the monitoring and enforcement. Autonomous robots with cameras and guns could be installed everywhere - - they'd process all video locally, by themselves, and could take action right away. This way privacy is not violated.

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by squarefoot on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:38PM (#39955825)
> Autonomous robots with cameras and guns

Soon on 0days market price list:

- Root access at google.com: $200.000

- Data access to any Ring video doorbell cameras: $150.000

- Full control of gun equipped robots at schools: $50.000

Prices pulled out of you know where, but you get the point.

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by stevenally on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:43PM (#39955861)
"You have 20 seconds to comply...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by LinuxBender on Sunday April 07, 2024 @08:12AM (#39960218)
Or be loyal as a puppy [1] ed pwned

[1] - https://youtu.be/5l4IrCBLzTI?&t=8

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by forrestthewoods on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:26PM (#39955731)
> Autonomous robots with cameras and guns

Yikes! That’s gonna violate something alright.

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by nanocode on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:26PM (#39955735)
>Autonomous robots with cameras and guns could be installed everywhere

At this point I'm not even sure if you're sarcastic. Or are you an agent of the upcoming robot uprising? Who knows!

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by II2II on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:43PM (#39955862)
It likely depends upon the type of crime you are trying to prevent. If you are trying to prevent crimes where the perpetrator assumes there will be no witnesses, then I can see how surveilance could[1] be effective. If you are talking about a mass shooting, a crime where the perpetrator must assume there will be witness and they will be caught (short of suicide, which seems to be common in these scenarios, then it is hard to see how surveilance will be effective.

[1] I say could because it probably involves the mental state of the person commiting the crime.

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by ethanwillis on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:37PM (#39955817)
You can't break windows if there are no windows to break. It sounds like a joke but actually environment does affect crime rate and types of crime. Here's one such document that talks about it: https://www.huduser.gov/periodicals/cityscpe/vol2num1/notes....
Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by petermcneeley on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:34PM (#39955791)
> This basically requires surveillance, no?

No offense but when were you born? Surveillance technology is relatively modern. What do you think the world look liked 50 years ago? 100?

Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by forrestthewoods on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:38PM (#39956304)
More violent and dangerous than today, obviously.
Re:After shooting, MSU promised safety. It delivered surveil... by petermcneeley on Saturday April 06, 2024 @08:35PM (#39957044)
Not sure that that is obvious and I am not sure the data supports that conclusion.