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Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by actionfromafar on Friday April 05, 2024 @05:07AM (#39940289)
But you can't make them do anything you want.
Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by spacecadet on Friday April 05, 2024 @06:30AM (#39940773)
You can, its called a tank.
Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by actionfromafar on Friday April 05, 2024 @06:52AM (#39940869)
Even that, can't make them do anything you want. It makes them die.
Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by dmoy on Friday April 05, 2024 @11:35AM (#39943690)
Tanks can't go door to door on enough of the populace.

If it's a law that's unpopular enough, it's not enforceable pretty much anywhere. Even less so in the US, because of the staggering number of civilian owned guns.

Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by spacecadet on Friday April 05, 2024 @11:51AM (#39943910)
Tank go through door
Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by dmoy on Friday April 05, 2024 @01:42PM (#39945089)
Right, but there's too many doors

Tanks can go through some of the doors, especially as long as you know there isn't a basement. So if you have a small segment of a population you need to go through doors on, sure.

But if it's enough of the population, then tanks don't work to enforce the laws.

Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by spacecadet on Friday April 05, 2024 @02:48PM (#39945714)
I dunno, you roll out all of the armored tank division, it doesn't have have to be 1:1...
Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by dmoy on Friday April 05, 2024 @03:37PM (#39946238)
Sure but there's like 5000 total tanks, and 80,000,000 houses (not including multi unit buildings).

It doesn't scale.

The military as a whole doesn't work well as a police trying to enforce laws, but even if it did, it wouldn't be the tanks. It would be door to door with infantry.

Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by dragonwriter on Friday April 05, 2024 @03:50PM (#39946403)
> Sure but there's like 5000 total tanks,

And 7000 IFVs, and 15,000 APCs, and 25,000 Mine Protected Vehicles, and also a bunch of fixed and rotary winged piloted and unpiloted aircraft carrying PGMs, all of which can go through specifically chosen doors, and, as with the tanks, all of which can send something through many specifically chosen doors (or windows, walls, whatever) in a fairly short period of time.

Not good for arresting people, bringing them to trial, and providing due process, but that's not the only means of raising the expected cost of non-compliance with the law so as to coerce compliance.

Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by ben_w on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:34PM (#39956277)
I suspect the US army would very upset with a government that tried to use it to enforce an unpopular law.

It's a volunteer force. Might simply refuse the orders as unlawful, might repeat 1861, depending on the law.

I'm told "fragging" comes from the weapon of choice used by conscripts in Vietnam against unpopular commanding officers.

Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by spacecadet on Monday April 08, 2024 @10:28AM (#39970091)
I was only trying to be funny, but I agree.
Re:Former University of Iowa Hospital employee used fake ide... by spacecadet on Monday April 08, 2024 @10:30AM (#39970108)
I know, but now Im interested in the effective fear factor of a single M1 against an American suburb.