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Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jjulius on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:19PM (#39932416)
>PR more than anything.

Tesla doesn't believe in PR[1].

[1]https://electrek.co/2021/04/28/elon-musk-no-new-tesla-pr-dep...

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by Spooky23 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:25PM (#39932526)
They didn’t believe in advertising either, but I’m getting alot of it.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by Draiken on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:32PM (#39932645)
Which is in itself, a PR stunt.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by mrgoldenbrown on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:30PM (#39932624)
Musk might claim to not believe in PR but his twitter activities (both the purchase and his actual tweets) strongly imply he does care about public opinion and his ability to shape it.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jjulius on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:43PM (#39932798)
What Musk does on Twitter is wholly separate from Tesla not having a PR department to handle some of the things that OP suggested. In fact, I'd wager that the lack of a PR department hampers Tesla's ability to control the negative reactions towards the company that have been caused by Musk's attempts to shape public discourse on Twitter.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by CydeWeys on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:27PM (#39932576)
And yet Elon does massive PR stunts on the regular, including smashing a Cybertruck's windows at a launch event. Curious...
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jjulius on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:41PM (#39932767)
>And yet Elon...

Elon does that. Tesla doesn't have a PR department to spend the time thinking about the things that the OP suggested they should consider.

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by CydeWeys on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:16PM (#39935302)
The parent comment said "Tesla doesn't believe in PR". It's clear that Tesla does in fact believe in PR judging by all of Elon's related activities, they just do it differently than other companies.

Also, look at website content like this: https://www.tesla.com/about

That is PR, regardless of whether you want to call the people doing it "PR" or not.

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jjulius on Thursday April 04, 2024 @06:49PM (#39936764)
Elon believes in doing his own PR, but Tesla does not, simple as that. If I'm to believe that Tesla does believe in PR then, as I mentioned in response to another user, I'd wager they'd be doing a lot more to improve their image given how much of a negative impact Elon's poor attempts at shaping public discourse via Twitter has had on Tesla lately, where their stock is at, etc.

An "about" page is bog standard stuff and a pretty paltry effort in the grand scheme of the things a PR department at a company the size of Tesla would otherwise traditionally be doing. It's like, yes, technically that's a form of PR, sure, but it ain't much.

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by FireBeyond on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:29PM (#39932602)
LOL. Tesla believes heavily in PR, Musk just doesn't believe in PR departments.

That's why if you're involved in a Tesla accident, even a fatal one, Tesla will have no hesitation holding a press conference, pulling vehicle telemetry, to make sure that (rightly or wrongly) blame goes to you as the driver and not Tesla.

They'll make statements like "Autopilot wasn't to blame here. The vehicle had warned the driver of his inattentiveness", and the Tesla fans will nod their heads, reassured.

What will later come out will be that Autopilot was active, and that while a driver attention (steering wheel) warning had occurred on the fateful trip, it had happened ONCE, and that that one time was EIGHTEEN MINUTES prior to the collision.

But there won't be a press conference to correct those details.

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by tnmom on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:37PM (#39932717)
I feel compelled to point out that usually, the story develops the other direction - from:

"Autopilot crashes car, kills family!"

to (with much less fanfare):

"Actually, it was a drunk dude driving manually and wrapped his car around a tree at 120mph in his own driveway"

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by callalex on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:59PM (#39933002)
Got an example of that?
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jdminhbg on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:13PM (#39933211)
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by avgDev on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:14PM (#39933233)
I have never seen such a story from a respected source. Please provide some examples.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jjulius on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:50PM (#39933714)
Two minutes before you responded: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39933211
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by avgDev on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:00PM (#39933828)
Is the verge a reliable news source now? Oof.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by brewdad on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:51PM (#39935655)
Where are the initial headlines that blamed autopilot for this crash? The assertion had two parts and these stories only reflect the latter.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jjulius on Thursday April 04, 2024 @06:38PM (#39936663)
I suppose I'll keep holding folks hands...

So, Google's results only seem interested on showing the articles about the NTSB's ultimate findings, not the ones that were originally reported immediately after the crash. I then assumed that some of the articles I had linked in that post would probably link back to their own previous articles about it, and figured I'd just start by going through that list from the top down.

Sure enough, the second one I linked, from CBS News, linked to their older article on it, entitled, "No one was driving Tesla before fiery crash that killed 2 passengers in Texas, authorities say".

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-crash-texas-no-one-dirvin...

Edit:

>The assertion had two parts and these stories only reflect the latter.

They don't, actually. Take this line from the Ars piece (though Ars isn't the only one that says something like this - most of them do! :D), for instance:

>The possible involvement of Autopilot was suggested in the wake of initial reports that one of the two occupants—specifically the driver—was found in the back seat of the car.

If you click the Ars link, you'll notice that the phrase "initial reports" also links to their own article written immediately after the event, titled, "Cops 'almost 99.9% sure' Tesla had no one at the wheel before deadly crash".

Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by tnmom on Thursday April 04, 2024 @07:35PM (#39937127)
Thank you; I didn’t have the time or patience to deal with the “sources” crowd on this one.
Re:Hertz's Bet on Teslas Went Horribly Sideways by jdminhbg on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:02PM (#39933859)