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Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by cyberax on Monday April 01, 2024 @05:32PM (#39899636)
> Reasonable at first. Once it was known that the virus is transmitted via aerosols then forcing masks was the wrong thing to do, specially on children. Useless and damaging.

And that's the reason we have governments for. So that people like you can't do unlimited damage. You can privately hate the government, but as long as you follow the rules, the damage is contained.

Masks saved people, including children: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968482/

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by OCASMv2 on Monday April 01, 2024 @07:53PM (#39900821)
> this paper does not estimate the effect of wearing masks, but rather the effect of mandating mask wearing

This study doesn't control its variables properly. Places with no mask mandates are also places where people typicaly didn't take other precautions such as avoiding mass gatherings.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by cyberax on Monday April 01, 2024 @08:10PM (#39900952)
And? You mentioned that masks were harmful to children, without citing a single reliable source.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by OCASMv2 on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @01:34AM (#39902698)
"The hypotheses for the influence of face mask wearing on emotion recognition were partially supported. Results showed that whereas anger was better recognized, happiness and sadness were impaired in their recognition.

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Therefore, the differential impact of face masks on emotion recognition can have an effect on children’s social interactions. For example, better recognition of anger can facilitate greater physical and social distance from one another (Calbi et al., 2021). On the other hand, lower recognition of happiness and sadness can be potentially detrimental for children’s social interactions. Happiness has been identified as key to boosting social interactions (Quoidbach et al., 2019), whereas recognizing sadness in others is important to display appropriate interpersonal emotion regulation (Kwon & López-Pérez, 2022)."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9637007/

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by themaninthedark on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @12:35PM (#39907719)
Anecdotally, when my son was in online classes and later on in person but masked he made remarks to me about how he felt like he had no friends and people didn't like him.

Partially(mostly?) was because during class breaks they were not allowed to interact.

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by mistermann on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @11:07AM (#39906586)
> You can privately hate the government, but as long as you follow the rules, the damage is contained.

Please state in quantitative (percentage) terms what "the damage is contained" means at object level reality.

Also please state the source(s) of this knowledge (this way it makes it explicit whether what you are describing is your opinion vs facts, as you seem to be presenting it as).

Let's check out the language from the link you did include:

>> Our results imply that...

>> This suggests that...

Wow, that's a neat trick. Is science not THE institution that we can turn to for non-misinformative information? I always hear that it is LITERALLY THE BEST at discovering and distributing truth, but then I constantly encounter this sort of thing, and rarely anything else.

Does this situation seem strange to you, even in the slightest?

Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by wewtyflakes on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @01:02PM (#39908097)
You expect your opponents to cite sources and provide such nuance at your demand, but you have not reciprocated that patience. It is so easy when you foist expectations on others then wonder why people don't want you engage with you, then claim it is the science that is wrong.
Re:Century-Old Stone "Tsunami Stones" Dot Japan's Coastline by mistermann on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @02:08PM (#39908930)
> You expect your opponents to cite sources and provide such nuance at your demand

No I don't.

This might help you understand your experience:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

> ...but you have not reciprocated that patience.

Apologies. How could I have done that?

> It is so easy...

So is what you are doing. I'd say your approach is even easier.

> when you foist expectations on others

I've foisted no expectations, I have only posed some questions or requests for clarifying detail regarding your facts.

Please do not misrepresent reality, it is rude, and can be harmful. If you would like others to be concerned about the safety of the collective, you should reciprocate.

> then wonder why people don't want you engage with you

Do you believe yourself to know why people don't want to engage with me, or that I wonder about such things? How could you possibly acquire such knowledge?

> then claim it is the science that is wrong.

I made no such claim (though, I did criticize the questionably accurate memetic reputation and marketing of "science", the institution that proclaims in their scriptures and marketing (though not so much in behavior) to welcome all criticism), why are you speaking as if I have? Are you perhaps "trying" (I use quotes, as it may seem like I am implying conscious intent, which I am not) to trick people into believing something that is not true, are you perhaps at least to some degree engaging in rhetoric in order to persuade other people to believe your preferred story?