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Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by secondcoming on Sunday March 31, 2024 @05:34PM (#39888245)
It seems to me that it's only the software industry that's intent on purging words. 'Blacklist' is still in wide use even on progressive news outlets.
Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by HideousKojima on Sunday March 31, 2024 @05:40PM (#39888293)
And blacklist's origin has nothing to do with race. It was originally coinec to describe a list of people involved in the execution of Charles I.
Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by bryanlarsen on Sunday March 31, 2024 @05:51PM (#39888386)
Words are offensive if people believe they are offensive. It doesn't matter if it's a good reason or a bad reason.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/give-up-seventy-percent-of-...

Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by slau on Sunday March 31, 2024 @06:34PM (#39888720)
The problem comes from the implied connotation: blacklist and whitelist -> black is bad and white is good.

There’s perfectly reasonable alternatives: allowlist and blocklist. It’s not really that big of a deal.

It’s about death by a thousand cuts. Nobody has suffered trauma by seeing those words. Nobody is going to refuse to work with you because you use those words. But they can be reminders, triggers, maybe just pain points.

If by slightly patching my vocabulary I can make some people more comfortable, why wouldn’t I?

Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by cassianoleal on Sunday March 31, 2024 @07:11PM (#39889078)
> the implied connotation: blacklist and whitelist -> black is bad and white is good

Well, no. And you illustrate it so well:

> reasonable alternatives: allowlist and blocklist

If both statements are true, then "allow" is good and "block" is bad.

See, if there's any implication of value then it needs to apply to whatever words you choose to use. In reality, none of those can be qualified as good or bad. They're tools. As such, when put to good use, they will be good; when misused they might be bad. This is true for whatever (black|white|allow|block)list is used.

Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by HideousKojima on Sunday March 31, 2024 @07:25PM (#39889207)
>It’s about death by a thousand cuts.

That's the truest part of your post, but not in the way you meant it. It's killing useful work and productivity via a death by a thousand cuts. I still have git push origin master in muscle memory, and have to regularly "fix" that to main, all because people with power over the git project insisted on changing the default branch name for made up reasons. Master refers to things other than master slave relationships, and even git's usage explicitly meant it in the slavery sense it was still a waste of engineering effort to change and an annoyance to anyone like me with muscle memory (or all of the people with build scripts they had to update).

Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by sebazzz on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @11:10AM (#39906623)
Your point doesn’t make sense, because you can change your default branch just fine.
Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by HideousKojima on Friday April 05, 2024 @01:40AM (#39939006)
Man, it's a good thing I never have to work with repos created by other developers who used the new default branch name then! Not like on a daily basis or anything.
Re:Microsoft Helping Out in Making the Linux Kernel Language... by gotoeleven on Sunday March 31, 2024 @05:40PM (#39888290)
Yeah and the alternative Africanamericanlist seems more offensive.