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Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday May 16, 2012 @07:22PM (#3984598)
Let me put it this way. It sounds like you don't want the entire government budget to rest on taxing one class and one class alone, the upper-class. That's a pretty virtuous and equitable thought to have, very fair to people who probably have much more than you.

Problem is, if income/wealth inequality is too severe, those guys are the only ones with money to contribute. So on some level, you need a certain level of income/wealth equality just to have multiple classes/brackets with enough excess income to contribute to the national welfare.

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by Daniel_Newby on Wednesday May 16, 2012 @08:55PM (#3984851)
When the poor people are fat, it is safe to assume the middle class has money to contribute to running the country.
Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by anthonyb on Wednesday May 16, 2012 @10:02PM (#3985000)
They're fat because they can't afford decent food and have to eat crap.

Assumptions don't get you anywhere.

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by Daniel_Newby on Wednesday May 16, 2012 @10:12PM (#3985019)
They get fat by not having enough money for food?! Seriously?!

Do you think they spend so much on lottery tickets because the rich so unfairly keep them out of derivative trading?

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by anthonyb on Thursday May 17, 2012 @02:09AM (#3985700)
Decent food. There are two main effects at work:

If all you can afford is ramen/bread/fast food, your body makes you overeat to get enough other nutrients (eg. vitamin C, B).

The second is that your insulin goes crazy with all those simple carbs and sugars (carbs are cheap, unlike protein, fish and vegetables, and get metabolised to glucose) so you get massive blood sugar swings. The low side of those makes you eat more and get fatter.

Lottery tickets are a strawman. Or, to quote a science fiction novel that I can't quite remember: "a tax on hope."

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by gadders on Friday May 18, 2012 @12:09PM (#3992587)
It's just as cheap to eat properly as it is to eat unhealthily. The difference is you need to actually put some effort in, rather than order a large Big Mac Meal.
Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by Daniel_Newby on Thursday May 17, 2012 @03:41AM (#3985908)
Complex carbohydrates are cheap. Fat is cheap. Eating simple carbohydrates is not an economic choice.

Vitamins pills and vegetables are reasonably cheap. And anyway if deficiencies caused obesity, the rate would drop off dramatically over some threshold income.

Lotteries matter because that's where poor Americans spend about 10% of their income. Taxing the rich to destruction will not fix that.

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by anthonyb on Thursday May 17, 2012 @07:18AM (#3986419)
They're not as cheap though, are they? Here are a couple of articles on poverty, obesity and cheap calories that you might find interesting:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/14/obesity-...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/not-having-enoug...

10% of a poor person's income turns out to be about $25/week according to this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123448/Poorest-peop.... Hardly earth shattering or likely to lift them out of poverty if they somehow manage to save it.

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by Daniel_Newby on Friday May 18, 2012 @01:55AM (#3990538)
Yes, in fact good food can be extremely cheap. Beans, eggs, and butter are dirt cheap. Canned vegetables are affordable if you buy for nutrition (i.e., not empty food like green beans).

Re. lottery spending, they are losing $12 a week! That is $600 a year! That could buy premium multivitamins, an extra several eggs a day, rather a lot of cheese, with money left over for the occassional meal out.

The problem of most poor Americans is not resources, it is the deployment of them.

Re:Too Hot for TED: Income Inequality by eli_gottlieb on Thursday May 17, 2012 @08:56PM (#3989876)
Do you think they spend so much on lottery tickets because the rich so unfairly keep them out of derivative trading?

Hmm... the blatant gambling nature of both of those makes it a good analogy.